[JohnMarkPainter]

What's up with this key design?
Is there a piece missing.

I just got this in the mail.
Late 60's K serial number (right?)
90 degree neck with octave key on the bottom.
Just needs a setup but sounds great already

 

[Sidepipes]

Tle lower key seems badly bent out of shape. Check some of the other 6M's on eBay.

 

[saxoclese]

It appears that the low Bb touch has been bent or twisted out of position. The challenge and thing to be careful about is that when keys have been severely bent and then bent back, they sometimes break. My suggestion would be to first "visualize" how the rollers on the Bb and B touch need to line up and then very carefully and slowly rotate the key back into its original position using just your fingers. It also appears as if the Bb touch also needs to be bent upwards a bit as well as rotated. It is sometimes helpful to bend the part just slightly farther than it needs to go and then back just a touch. If you are not comfortable doing this yourself, you can take it to a professional to get things back in "order".

 

[JohnMarkPainter]

Ah!

 

[saxoclese]

This is what you are shooting for.

 

[JohnMarkPainter]

This is what you are shooting for.

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Thanks!
I got it close pretty easily but will leave the last adjustment to my tech.

 

[milandro]

the entire plateau (also the middle and top although less) is bent out of shape, possibly when you or someone else too the sax apart, the keys were bent by accident, when left on the bench, if this happened before someone must have given it hell of a pull when trapped into something.

 

[JohnMarkPainter]

the entire plateau (also the middle and top although less) is bent aut of shape, possibly when you or someone else too the sax apart, the keys were bent by accident, when left on the bench, if this happened before someone much have given it hell of a pull when trapped into something.

I think it must have gotten stuck on something and was pulled.
The only dents and scratches are very light.
It had been unplaced for a long time.

 

[JohnMarkPainter]

Getting there

 

[saxoclese]

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Getting there

Close, but no cigar.

 

[Dr G]

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Getting there

You'll have to take the key off to bend it any further.

 

[milandro]

I think that there is only so much that can be done without taking the whole group of keys apart and making sure they are bent (with appropriate pliers ) in a properly alined fashion

 

[JohnMarkPainter]

You'll have to take the key off to bend it any further.

It's getting fixed on Thursday.
It's a substantial upgrade from my 70's Bundy
I HOPED it would be but was actually surprised at how different the tone was

 

[milandro]

I hope that you were positively surprised although a Bundy is not a bad saxophone.

 

[JohnMarkPainter]

Close, but no cigar.

That's ok...I don't know what those keys do anyway

 

[JohnMarkPainter]

I hope that you were positively surprised although a Bundy is not a bad saxophone.

The Bundy isn't 'bad' (it's not a Bundy II!).
The build quality on the Conn is of course way better, but the tone is way more interesting.
The Bundy sounds more like a smaller version of a Tenor.
Where the Conn has a distinct tonal difference.

Looking forward to it

 

[Dr G]

It's getting fixed on Thursday.
It's a substantial upgrade from my 70's Bundy
I HOPED it would be but was actually surprised at how different the tone was

Be aware that when you try to tweak a key back into place without removing it from the body, you may bend a post, or tweak a pivot or rod.

 

[saxoclese]

If you have the right tool. Before having to remove the key, I would grip the area marked with the arrow firmly with a pair of smooth jawed needle nose pliers. Then putting pressure on the key arm in a counterclockwise direction, twist the key itself in a clockwise direction to the correct orientation. Bending the key off the instrument could involve putting it back on and taking it off several times to check if it is bent "correctly". If you are concerned with putting marks on the key, you can place a piece of electrical tape or duct tape on the face of the jaws.

 

[Dr G]

If you have the right tool. Before having to remove the key, I would grip the area marked with the arrow firmly with a pair of smooth jawed needle nose pliers. Then putting pressure on the key arm in a counterclockwise direction, twist the key itself in a clockwise direction to the correct orientation. Bending the key off the instrument could involve putting it back on and taking it off several times to check if it is bent "correctly". If you are concerned with putting marks on the key, you can place a piece of electrical tape or duct tape on the face of the jaws.

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That won't get it to the final position if it is to have a close fit. As you have already suggested, the elasticity of the metal (my words) requires that it is bent beyond its desired position to settle in the correct alignment.

 

[saxoclese]

That won't get it to the final position if it is to have a close fit. As you have already suggested, the elasticity of the metal (my words) requires that it is bent beyond its desired position to settle in the correct alignment.

You may be right. Looking at the photo of the correct alignment in the photo in post #6 I see a distance of 1.5 - 2mm between the keys that may allow enough bending "beyond its desired position" to allow it to "settle in the correct alignment". The only way to know for sure would be to try it.