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just picked up a very nice 1936 6M/Metro; was overhauled prior to sale - one basic issue:around the middle D to Eb it has the classic sax stuffiness - but a tad worse; squeaks sometimes, goes sharp usually.

I have a very good local tech, as this thing was overhauled far away from here. Going to see them tomorrow, but was wondering if anyone had any idea what was going on.

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....and I could be wrong, but the problem seems to effect the volume of the horn. It sounds good, but not quite as loud as I would expect it to.
 

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well, reading through, finding all the suggestions about raising the C or C# so will suggest that. And just to note, I am using excellent mouthpieces, and do not have this problem on any other horn.
 

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I've heard this stuffiness around Eb and D mentioned before, but I've never come across it personally. I've four Conn altos and it doesn't happen on any of them.

1. Does it have a rear Eb ? If so , is it working ?

2. What mouthpiece are you using ?

3. You might have a leak somewhere. Have you checked it with a leaklight, in particular, the keys on the left hand which also get closed by the right hand ?

4. Have you had a Conn-specialist technician run his ruler over it ?
 

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Thinking leak in the d pad ( right ring finger) or the octave.....think more likely something not sealing perfectly up high is more pronounced when playing D. Had a leak in the g# or 1 pad below, took a while to locate it, but had same effect playing D.
 

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Have a tech test the vacuum seal on the neck and socket. Some techs are obsessive about doing this, others don't even have the tools to check this area.If you are going down a check list of possible faults, this area is worth a look.
 

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Thinking leak in the d pad ( right ring finger) or the octave.....think more likely something not sealing perfectly up high is more pronounced when playing D. Had a leak in the g# or 1 pad below, took a while to locate it, but had same effect playing D.
I had the exact same situation. Once I got the G# and next pad sealed, D and Eb sounded great! I should mention, that with a leak light, the pads looked like they sealed, but the seal was not completed until the last second on one side of the pads. Once I got them to seal more evenly, the stuffiness disappeared.
 

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I had the exact same situation. Once I got the G# and next pad sealed, D and Eb sounded great! I should mention, that with a leak light, the pads looked like they sealed, but the seal was not completed until the last second on one side of the pads. Once I got them to seal more evenly, the stuffiness disappeared.
Had the exact same problem (G#, F pads) on my Ref 54 alto, used leak light too.....resolved the issue and they were great, and the horn was more freeblowing. Back to the 6M, does it feel like you have added resistance on D/Eb? Your tech should be able to ensure all of the pads are sealing.
 

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Well, people are chiming in with a number of possible things to investigate, all of which come down to "have a tech run a leak light down it and check it out generally".

I will say, as a long time 6M player (it has been my main alto for 40 years), that on a 6M in good adjustment there aren't any notably stuffy or out-of-tune notes. In fact, it's one of the best in tune altos there is, although it won't have that "slotted-in" feel of a modern Yamaha. Personally I think the Conn 6M for tone, intonation, and action, is basically the best alto saxophone ever made.
 

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Less likely than the C key being too closed is a slight leak above. That over engineered octave key mechanism can be tricky about where you put the neck.
Also try moving the micro tuner back and forth in different positions.
I like my 6M. I always think of it as “the tenor players alto”. Great sax for the one or two alto gigs I do every year.
 

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thanks everyone - well, I brought it over to my tech today - and it turns out it was the octave key(s). I should have paid more attention but I think they were both opening at the same time. Plays great now.
 
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