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Did you ever make a motor noise with your throat and tongue when you played with your toy cars? (Do young people even have toy cars?) If so, do that while you are blowing a note. I don't actually have my tongue touch the reed when I flutter tongue. I'm not consciously trying to roll my tongue, either. I just relax it and let it vibrated quickly on the roof of my mouth. If you run your tongue from behind the top teeth slowly toward the back of your mouth, you'll notice the roof of the mouth caves in towards the top of your skull. Just before it caves in, at the high spot, about 1/2 inch behind your teeth, is where the tip of my tongue vibrates when I flutter tongue. Also, I growl at the same time for added effect.