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I would appreciate some help identifying the manufacturer and model of this ligature (see the attached photos). Thanks.
 

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Generic ligature sold by the tons in all music shops before the Chinese ligature became common and to be found on most older student saxophones. I have had a few of those. In my part of the world it is rather common on second hand horns and worth very little indeed. Mostly not sold separately.
 

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Generic ligature sold by the tons in all music shops before the Chinese ligature became common and to be found on most older student saxophones.
Thanks for the response. Are you saying that is was THE generic ligature of years past (i.e. the most common generic ligature available)? It has some design features in common with Bonade. Any idea who made it?
 

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I am saying that this, together with other ligatures generically marked as U.S.A., are found on almost any second hand saxophone in the Netherlands if they don't have anything specific. Definitely sold in the past (and probably still sold by someone who has old stock) in any Dutch shop as replacement for whatever was originally on the mouthpiece.

I've just checked in my drawer where I keep all sorts of odds and ends and I have one the same in brass.

Again these things were made and sold by the tons. I doubt that you would ever find the exact name of the maker because these must have been made by a simple metal company for someone like Riffault who specialised in (pun intended) generic mouthpieces which were made under countless names.
 

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I've just checked in my drawer where I keep all sorts of odds and ends and I have one the same in brass.
Thanks again for the info. May I assume the pictured one, which is silver colored, is nickel plated? If so, what would likely be the base metal beneath the nickel plating?
 

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could very well be........
 

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In absence of other replies, that seems to be the consensus then. Generic "student model" ligature. Thanks milandro.
 

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that Bonade it is slightly different (as OP said it looks like one ......but not quite) but I have no doubt that comes from the same sort of press
 

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I suspect that most of the older ligatures of this style were made by M. Martin, but I've never seen any information about the company. The company logo was stamped inside a diamond when they used their own brand name on the ligatures. They are probably the ones that "stenciled" ligatures for other companies. Many vintage Selmer ligatures are identical and I doubt that Selmer made their own. It's also common to see this design with just a generic "France" stamped on them, like your example.

The old hard rubber Otto Links used this design. Otto Link may have gotten it's ligatures from M. Martin or from American Plating, a company still in business that made an identical design and even had a similar logo with AP&M Co. inside of a diamond. AP&M is still in business, but no longer making the same style "window opening" on its ligature. This is from some AP&M promotional material:

"American Plating & Manufacturing Company (APM), based in Chicago, has recently celebrated its 100th Anniversary as a musical product manufacturer. APM is one of the largest domestic manufacturers of band instrument parts and accessories, having been founded in 1902. The first generation owner, Charles Urban Sr., had begun his career in the music industry at age 14 when he got a job at a music store to supplement his family鈥檚 income.

APM originated as a specialist in plating and lacquering fenders for horse-drawn buggies and early model cars.With Charles Sr.鈥檚 interest in music, the business advanced in the 1920鈥檚 into repairing and re-commissioning brass band instruments, including plating, polishing and lacquering. During WWII, APM was one of a few authorized businesses to repair musical instruments used in all branches of the Armed Services. APM later began manufacturing band instrument parts as a by-product of instrument repairs, and the company eventually ceased instrument repairs in order to focus on band instrument component/accessory manufacturing.

APM uses a combination of manual and automated processes to manufacture a variety of musical instrument parts and accessories, including: lyres, ligatures, mouthpiece caps, valve cleaners, Steven Steels, American Fifes and American Song Whistles. In recent years, APM has adapted its plating technology to incorporate specialty plating for the electrical power transmission industry.

APM鈥檚 customer base can be found across the U.S., Europe and Asia. Major customers for whom APM works with include: Conn-Selmer, Yamaha, Rico, and LeBlanc. APM also manufactures a great deal of private label and aftermarket accessories for wholesale to distributors.

From horse drawn carriage fenders in the Midwest to the global supply of high quality musical instrument parts, APM has demonstrated the flexibility to meet its customers鈥 evolving needs, and to move into new product lines, precisely because it is a family owned company."


Sorry I can't post pictures for some reason. I suppose if you really wanted to know who made this style ligature in France, you could contact AP&M. Since it's a family run business, Grandpa Urban might know who their french competition was in the 1940s and from whom they copied the design.

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Just to compare.
This is a Martin Bb Clarinet ligature. It's marked Martin, France inside the 'V'.
To me it appears to be 'German Silver' or what my Dad calls 'White Brass'.
 

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Herouard & Benard produces the Bonade ligatures and also produced the old Lebayle "Prelude", "Scala" and "LR" ligature (the old "Fusion" ligature I think it has been made by Saxxas) ;)
 

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yes! :D
 
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