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Hi to all SBA Tenor owners and specialists.
I am playing this ( french ) Selmer SBA neck with no serial number that I play on my 24xxx BA Selmer.
I am very happy with it - plays great, more focused and articulates and projects better than original 24xxx BA neck.

I am trying identify its approximate serial range or era...
most probably late SBA from 50xxx on up to MK VI ,
as I can see from the selmer logo?


How does it compares to your SBA necks design and small detailes....it's quite different from BA neck?
Do you see anything unusual in design of octave pip or other parts that is similar or different to your SBA necks?

thanks in advance for your input.
 

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Adding some xtra sharp detailed photos so that you can see some surprisingly sloppy soldering and even some scratched guidelines for exact parts soldering placement...?:?::shock:
do you think that Selmer in the 50s could allow such sloppy soldering ,
or does this indicates that the neck has been repared and re soldered later?
 

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Dimitry, as you know I own two necks for my 1953 SBA tenor, one with the same logo as yours and one (older one) with the mouse ears. I found the newer type of necks (without mouse ears) in SBA pictures from serial 429xx onwards (about 1950 upwards). The most recent SBA pictures I found with the mouse ears are from serial 398xx downwards (1949 and before).

I prefer my older neck with the mouse ears, it sounds more spread and a bit darker than my 1953 non mouse ears neck.

See this thread I made about my SBA necks some years ago (including bad compare recording!):
http://forum.saxontheweb.net/showthread.php?157187-Selmer-SBA-Neck-Comparison-Blues

See here for some pictures of both necks:
https://plus.google.com/photos/108637650008771977212/albums/6210688952537339521
 

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Dimitry, as you know I own two necks for my 1953 SBA tenor, one with the same logo as yours and one (older one) with the mouse ears. I found the newer type of necks (without mouse ears) in SBA pictures from serial 429xx onwards (about 1950 upwards). The most recent SBA pictures I found with the mouse ears are from serial 398xx downwards (1949 and before).

I prefer my older neck with the mouse ears, it sounds more spread and a bit darker than my 1953 non mouse ears neck.


See this thread I made about my SBA necks some years ago (including bad compare recording!):
http://forum.saxontheweb.net/showthread.php?157187-Selmer-SBA-Neck-Comparison-Blues

See here for some pictures of both necks:
https://plus.google.com/photos/108637650008771977212/albums/6210688952537339521
Thanks for your reply Peter,
So you think my SBA neck might be somewhere from 1950 - 1954 ?
Ive looked at the photos of your newer 1953 SBA neck but couldnt see the soldering details and close-ups of Some parts ...to compare with mine.
Peter, have you closely looked at my second batch of more zoomed photos where u can see the unusual irregularities in shapes of some parts or sloppy soldering marks and even scratches that looked like they were used for marking the spot before soldering?
I am including some more detailed pics of areas concerned :
Please have a careful look at the octave pip shape and scratch marks around it ,
look at the octave key post shape and its alignment ,
Look at the shape and round machining marks on top of second octave key post closed to the pip,
notice irregularities in the shape of neck brace they are not as smooth as in a BA neck from 1937 and have olso long scratch guides in the middle ( Selmer craftsmanship in the 50s ?? I doubt)

Do those parts look as on your 1953 neck?

I m trying to determine if the neck is 100% original OR repared later with use of some non standard modern day. machining parts ?
or maybe it's was normal in France in the 50s to assemble necks in such a sloppy way, just puzzled?
my apologies for long post .
Cheers,
Dimitri
 

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Dimitry, I think my necks look less sloppy in how they are finished than yours, so it could be that some repairs have been done to your neck. But that's of course hard to prove, yours could also be a 'Monday morning' model :bluewink:!

But I'm sure your neck is a '50-54 model, or maybe even later (I once heard from someone that you could also order after market necks at Selmer factory). I'm not even sure my 'original' SBA neck belongs to the '53 SBA. It has no serial number, but the guy I bought it from told me it's the correct area (late SBA) neck.

I'm not so good with making pictures, so I just asked my lady to make some more detailed pics (but they are not so nice as your pictures).

Just added them to my 'Neck album' (hope they show you want you're looking for!):
https://plus.google.com/photos/108637650008771977212/albums/6210688952537339521
 

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Dimitry, I think my necks look less sloppy in how they are finished than yours, so it could be that some repairs have been done to your neck. But that's of course hard to prove, yours could also be a 'Monday morning' model :bluewink:!

But I'm sure your neck is a '50-54 model, or maybe even later (I once heard from someone that you could also order after market necks at Selmer factory). I'm not even sure my 'original' SBA neck belongs to the '53 SBA. It has no serial number, but the guy I bought it from told me it's the correct area (late SBA) neck.

I'm not so good with making pictures, so I just asked my lady to make some more detailed pics (but they are not so nice as your pictures).

Just added them to my 'Neck album' (hope they show you want you're looking for!):
https://plus.google.com/photos/108637650008771977212/albums/6210688952537339521
Peter, thank you for taking this extra pictures, they are great, and show anough detail for me!
I can clearly see now where my SBA neck differs with both of your SBA necks and mine BA neck :
1) the shape of octave pip is different ( your necks has a rounded off octave pip, like a half sphere)
2) the shape and the irregular cut of the octave key post ( one that holds the key ) is different
3) the rough shape cut of the neck brace ( bottom of the neck) is different.
4) the second octave key post ( next to octave pip) has sharp finishing machine marks on top and bottom as opposed to rounded off smooth corners and top on your necks.
5) my SBA neck is slightly thinner in overall diameter but longer in lenght and thicker walls than my BA original neck.
All those differences aside from sloppy key placements and soldering , makes me wonder
If it's indeed made on " Monday morning " ;) or was it totally resorted from some parts at some point?

I wouldn't mind all the sloppy parts and shapes since it plays great and in tune,
but still would like to find out if the body tube ( at least ) original
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Glad the pics helped you a bit further Dimitry. :)

By the way, I'm also not sure if my mouse ears neck is a real SBA area one, it could also be a an older BA neck.
 
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