[BaruDude]

i picked up a Runyon smooth bore facing for my bari (#7) i had switched from a C* only to find out even though my vastly could out blow the C*, the Runyon is just WAY to hard to play with a regular reed. i cant get notes out on the first go, some squeaks, and multiple hard tung Slaps to even get a sound. i got a new ligature to maybe help with the problem and let the reed vibe more, but no matter what i do it stays the same.

one thing i noticed was that when i have a reed on the piece, the ligature covers up a good portion of the exposed cut reed, even when i adjust the lig to only touch the vamp it still nudges the transition cut (sry don't know the technical name). i was wondering if this is causing the issues i am having considering i have been working on mastering this piece for quite some time.

 

[ZephyrSax]

Well, if I set it up improperly, I can undergo the same thing, so I know what you mean. I recommend lightening up the ligature pressure, double checking the fit of the reed (it's picky - it seems to like the reed higher than I'm used to), and, instead of tightening the ligature itself, just push it lower down the piece until its taut. Try these things. Oh, and try a rubber band for a ligature. Even if used only temporarily, this will tell you if it's the ligature that's causing the problem.

Oh, and if all that fails, try a softer reed. Then report back.

By the way, what ligature did you get for it?

 

[BaruDude]

intesting development, its not the piece its the reed. the pack of vandoresns has possible the smallest vamp i have ever seen, i switched to a very old pack of rico's ( i got a few boxes from 1982 for dirt cheap off of ebay), and the ligarte NO LONGER INTERFERES WITH REED AND THE PIECE WORKS GREAT!!

 

[ZephyrSax]

Oh, well then, glad you solved your own problem. Enjoy the piece.

 

[BaruDude]

well it turns out for some strange reason standard vandoren reeds do nto work on the piece, the vamp is just to short and the ligature interfers with the sound, i was wondering if anyone had any experience with this piece or runyons in genral knows a good reed with a decently long vamp.

 

[ZephyrSax]

You don't think so? I use Vandoren reeds on mine, sometimes Traditional, sometimes JAVA, sometimes V16. I think they work fine. But if Ricos work for you, use Ricos. Nothing wrong with that

 

[BaruDude]

its not they they dont work for me, they just dont work period, the ligature covers the ramp of the reed making it so it dosent vibrate. i think maby the vandoren jazz reeds may work better becaouse of the longer vamp and less shaved reed but i havent tried. il send a pic if i can find some batterys for my camera.

 

[BaruDude]

since this has become more of a reed issue ive created a new topic in the reed section.

 

[MojoBari]

Are you saying the reed is so thick the ligature is tight on the vamp of the reed? You may just need a decent ligature that holds the reed in a good spot. Any reed with the appropriate strength should play on any mouthpiece. Some are better than others, but all should play if they are not too hard/soft.

 

[BaruDude]

no, the vamp is to short and the lig sits on the ramp of the reed interfering with vibration.

 

[MojoBari]

The ramp of a reed is called the vamp.

Got any pictures?

 

[BaruDude]

Alright let me explain better now that i somewhat know the terminology, when i place the ligature on, it sits on the vamp (ramp of the reed). when i try to adjust it so it only touches on the un- filed part of the reed (the back?) the lig sits so far back it comes off the piece.

 

[maestroelite]

I bet the Van Doren classics are just too hard. Try a Java in different strengths if you want to try that brand maybe?