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Paul Reed Smith (USA) core guitars are amazing works of art - stunningly crafted, beautifully finished, perfect intonation, QC second to none. And yet some guitarists feel as though PRS guitars lack something in their tone... PRS are sometimes called 'sterile' or 'soul-less'. This is why some guitarists prefer Fender Custom Shop or a really nice custom shop Gibson Les Paul or something.

Is there an equivalent to PRS in saxophones / saxophone manufacturers?
 

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I have heard some say this about Yanis (soulless, sterile). I think this is a crock of ****e though. To continue the guitar theme, Jeff Beck will sound like Jeff Beck on a PRS, a Strat or a Yamaha Pacifica!
 

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I have heard some say this about Yanis (soulless, sterile). I think this is a crock of ****e though. To continue the guitar theme, Jeff Beck will sound like Jeff Beck on a PRS, a Strat or a Yamaha Pacifica!
Fully agreed. There are a lot of great players, who play with a lot of "soul" on Yanis. It's mostly myth that you need a beat up M6 to play jazz :)
 

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Paul Reed Smith is local. In fact, in one of those what could have been moments... my father turned down an opportunity to invest in the company when it was getting off the ground. If you wanted a sax manufacturer to compare, I think you'd have to go with Inderbinen, or maybe R&C. You know, a sort of boutique. But then again, there seems to be more demand for PRS guitars than those boutique brands.

I had friends that took jobs working in the PRS factory when it was local. If they stayed six months, they'd get to make their own guitar and keep it for cost. Seemed to be the average stay there; six months.
 

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My understanding is that PRS guitars is a very low production very high cost outfit, where everything is finished like jewelry.

I don't really think there's anything quite comparable in saxophones. Part of the problem is that you have to invest in some serious production equipment to get started in saxophone manufacturing (hydraulic presses, stamping tools, etc) unlike guitar making where it's mostly standard woodshop tools with some shopmade fixtures. So if you want to make your own saxophones you've either got to make a decent volume to spread the fixed costs over, or you've got to charge a super-premium price and convince customers it's worth it, or you end up contracting with an existing manufacturer for a special model that's made mostly on their existing tooling.

Outside of China and Taiwan there haven't been any successful entries into the volume manufacturing side in many years. Inderbinen, R&C, Borgani, and Jim Schmidt seem to be trying to go the small volume/high price route but they're hardly a blip on the screen of the average saxophone player (unlike PRS, which every kid who plays electric guitar knows about and most lust after) - I don't know why, and this would be worth some discussion, I think. The vast majority of "new brands" go the third route (a few special features on a standard horn built usually in a low cost country) which is why they all still look and act like Selmer Mark 6 or SA80 copies.
 

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Paul Reed Smith (USA) core guitars are amazing works of art - stunningly crafted, beautifully finished, perfect intonation, QC second to none. And yet some guitarists feel as though PRS guitars lack something in their tone... PRS are sometimes called 'sterile' or 'soul-less'. This is why some guitarists prefer Fender Custom Shop or a really nice custom shop Gibson Les Paul or something.
Funny how the guitars with real mojo were not made in a custom shop. When I bought my first Strat, there were no models to choose from - only choice of fingerboard wood, and finish color.

Maybe the soul comes from the people on the production line. Or maybe it comes from using wood that wasn't harvested last week.
 

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Funny how the guitars with real mojo were not made in a custom shop. When I bought my first Strat, there were no models to choose from - only choice of fingerboard wood, and finish color.

Maybe the soul comes from the people on the production line. Or maybe it comes from using wood that wasn't harvested last week.
Let's not lose sight of the fact that Leo Fender never set out to make a jewel-like luthier's special; his objective was decent playing guitars that could be assembled at relatively low cost. But he got the designs right. I can assure you there was no consideration of "soul" at the Fender factory.

Just as with so many other things, the soul comes from the guy driving the thing, not the thing. Do you think B. B. King had less "soul" in his playing when he was 21 years old and playing an el-cheapo Sears guitar, than when he was 70 and had a rack full of beautiful Gibsons?

As Bill Kirchen says, "If you can't do it with a Telecaster, it doesn't need to be done."
 

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I was a kid working in a guitar shop back in the mid70s when I first read an article about Paul Reed Smith. At the time, the major manufacturers of American electric guitars, Gibson and Fender, had been bought out by corporations --Norlin and CBS-- with no tradition of instrument making, and both were producing guitars of very uneven quality and neither manufacturer had much insight into what guitar players wanted from an instrument. So, there was space in the market for someone like Smith to produce a guitar --at first he basically hand made a variant of the Les Paul-- that would gain a following based on quality and features that guitarists valued. (not to mention the early endorsement by Santana.)

I think a key difference between guitars and saxophones, however, was that there was a strong tradition that "THE" rock and roll guitars of the 50s/60s/70s were American made, and practically all the icons of the time played Gibson and Fender. The shop where I worked sold Ibanez guitars, Japanese made (Gibson and Fender were franchises held by the old line piano stores), and the Ibanez guitars were of higher and more uniform craftsmanship than contemporary Fender or Gibson, but players who could afford them still wanted Strats or Les Pauls. This sparked the vintage market, and then both Gibson and Fender were revived by new owners, and PRS also became a major producer known not so much for workmanlike guitars, as originally, but for inlay, highly flamed wood etc. (Hence the negative vibe among some in the guitar world that PRS are less tools for musicians than ornaments for physicians.) With few exceptions, the high-end guitar market today is US-made, but below that, nearly everything is Asian, even in the PRS lines. That US domination isn't explained by a gap in real quality, I would argue: there are Japanese and Chinese guitars that match any American guitar, but, even Japanese collectors buy US-made high end guitars.

So, I agree that it's hard to make a direct parallel to saxophones. The "it" brand by the 60s, Selmer, was not an American-identified product. It is interesting to me that the US=quality thing did not take hold among saxophonists, and the US manufacturers couldn't effectively compete either for the mass or high-end market (which is where the profit is.) No doubt Selmers were very good horns, but could the different connection to "made in the US" have been related to greater appreciation jazzers received in Europe, maybe even to greater respect shown to African American artists? Or maybe simply that it is harder for a casual fan to identify the make of a saxophone? Or is it the relative size of the markets? Interesting to speculate, but of course the sort of thing that is impossible to prove.

All my 2 cents, and perhaps not worth that much...
 
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