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In another thread the Otto Link SP HR was brought up as a piece that has more baffle material than the current HR Links. Anyone got experience with these? Has anything else been changed as far as the chamber, throat, bore? Could these be the closest thing to a slant without the slant price?

These are supposedly SP's.

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Yes those look like the baffles that you have done for me on my metal links. Actually these are the only SP photos I could find that were big enough and all of these were refaced by brian powell. Still though if there's more material to work with I would think a slight increase in baffle might improve response over the straight or scooped out baffle in current production.
 

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Actually these are SP's that were sent off to Brian Powell. The price is a whopping $275 from this vendor.

Anyone could buy a SP for $95 including s/h and send it off for a $70 reface and save $100.
 

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Because they were refaced by Brian you can't assume that they looked like that before. I think Brian took down the beak on these also. I know he does great work so these probably play great.
I totally agree. Wouldn't it be a dream if Otto Link actually put out pieces that looked like this from the factory. I found a SP on ebay but the photo is too small and grainy to make anything out.
 

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these are the V Links sold at www.saxalley.com but refaced and customized. They do have a very different baffle shape. The sidewalls according to my pinky finger are a little rounder and the throat narrower than some shapes of new links. There are a lot of variations inside three or four I think if you look at the numbers inside the chamber
 

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I have worked on many of these Babbitt creations. When we got our first ones almost two years ago from Tenor Madness and Bob Ackerman, they were designated with a hand-scribed "PT" on them. Since then, they have been designated as the "V" and now as the "SP". My understanding is that this is how they come from Babbitt.
Even more important than the baffle shape or size is the shape and size of the floor of the chamber. These have the higher floor in them like good old slants. I have been told that they are using vintage cores in recreating these, I am going to check with Babbitt to make sure I've got my facts and understanding correct. Modern regular HR Links (for quite some time) have had the bottom of the chamber scooped out, leaving them sounding tubby or dead. On the above pieces, I have modified the beaks, very much like an EB beak. Same beak angle as a slant, but not quite as steep a drop-off from the body as a slant.
I find these pieces respond better with a bit more baffle added naturally, so I advise purchasers to buy them a size or two smaller than they want to end up with, then still face them down a bit, and reopen them to maximize the baffle. Yes, the curve and finish work is still Babbitt as they come, meaning there's room for improvement. It's just a shame they won't produce quantities of them with really good rubber, we know they have the capabilities as displayed with the special Meyer Limiteds of a couple years ago.
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heath said:
Actually these are SP's that were sent off to Brian Powell. The price is a whopping $275 from this vendor.

Anyone could buy a SP for $95 including s/h and send it off for a $70 reface and save $100.

From where?
 

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From where?
http://www.saxalley.com/mouthpieces.html

please correct where i make mistakes because i'm sure i will make some.
those are not like slants in my rather uneducated opinion.
they are more like early babbit.
they are nothing even remotely resembling first early slants.So that idea is out the window.
they also are lacking the "squeeze" and the tighter chamber of the later 2 versions of the florida slant. They also appear to have (even after brian has worked on them) that weird concave "hole" after the baffle that has baffled us all about modern tone edges for so long. (what the heck is that about ?)
I think that after USA was added to the slants they did start to get a little bit more of a curved step baffle like you guys were saying.(yuck)

Could these be the closest thing to a slant without the slant price?
IMHO a lamberson or a vintage dukoff rubber will sound alot closer to a slant that these do.
 

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I'll tell you what sounds like a slant. My kessler OL7 that had the chamber increased, baffle left in place and the bore increased in diameter. Compared side by side and it's very close.

Personally I'm not getting one of these SP's becaues like Garyjones mentioned it's not that far off from the current stock link. They need to go back and start making exact replicas of the Florida slant. I don't see why they don't do it. A bundle of cash could be flowing in.
 

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Also posted this on another relevant thread, but, wouldn't it be great if someone convinced Babbitt to resume production on the original slant-sig cavity molds and would also meticulously blueprint and hand-finish each mouthpiece, creating an accurate reproduction of the original? Oh wait, someone has:
http://saxquest.com/productDetails.asp?productcode=TenneySlantTenor
;)
 

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Yes they have, but they're $350. I want the original slant for $65 including shipping and handling....blueprinted of course. :)
 

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Is there any knind of markings on these SP Links (other than Brian Powell's markings) to indicate what they are, or do you have to tell by the chamber characteristics? Is "PT", "V", or "SP" marked anywhere on the piece?
 

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drakesaxprof said:
Also posted this on another relevant thread, but, wouldn't it be great if someone convinced Babbitt to resume production on the original slant-sig cavity molds and would also meticulously blueprint and hand-finish each mouthpiece, creating an accurate reproduction of the original? Oh wait, someone has:
http://saxquest.com/productDetails.asp?productcode=TenneySlantTenor
;)

Just comment on this, uh, comment...I agree that Babbitt should produce a "Special Edition" Link like they did with the Meyers a few years ago, but my question is why did they change the design in the first place? It's not like it's any more difficult to mold, and Selmer has made mouthpieces with the same design for nearly 70 years (The Classic metals), so it can be done.

On the other hand, if they did make a REAL special edition slant-sig piece, everyone would complain that it's not as good as the real thing anyway, so maybe there's no point.
 

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On the other hand, if they did make a REAL special edition slant-sig piece, everyone would complain that it's not as good as the real thing anyway, so maybe there's no point.
Not sure what the history is of the motivation behind the design changes, but to re-emphasize, the Tenney Slant is the REAL slant-sig design. It's made from the very same chamber molds as the original, and it's hand-finished by Doc Tenney to the original specifications. It's as faithful a reproduction of the original as is likely possible.
 

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Sebastian said:
look inside the piece. If you hold it up looking inside from the shank, facing side down you will see "v" stamped inside. All the other ones have numbers, 1, 2, or 3.
These markings are neither consistent nor reliable for "identifying" any specific chamber cavity. Some have no markings at all - which is a "type of marking" for statistical process control purposes in manufacturing.
 
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