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y.olgers@upcmail.nl

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Hello, I just bought a Otto Link tenor mouthpiece 7 and I wonder if it is a Early Babbitt wide tip?

Its the second mouthpiece from the left. First one is a Florida, third one is a EB, the one on the right is a normal STM. On the last picture, its the silver one, the other is the Early babbitt i already had.

If it is a EB wide tip, what is appr. the value?

Thanks for your help,
Best regards, Yvonne
 

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Re: Otto Link Early babbitt wide tip?

Yeah it looks like a common STM...
Value is a good question. I havn't seen a wide tip so I have no idea...

That chart seems to need an update on the size font for EB vs late Florida USA.
It's a great chart though. It's helped me a lot of times!
 
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Bkenes said:
Yeah it looks like a common STM...
Value is a good question. I havn't seen a wide tip so I have no idea...

That chart seems to need an update on the size font for EB vs late Florida USA.
It's a great chart though. It's helped me a lot of times!
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The correct font size measures are in the thread and I intended to update/revise that chart already a long time ago, but I never came to it.

The correct values for the tip stamp font sizes are 2.7 mm for Florida and 3.4 mm for EB, see this post in the other thread:
https://forum.saxontheweb.net/showt...n-quot-chart&p=2449417&viewfull=1#post2449417

I expect the price of a real wide tip to be slightly higher than the common STM EB prices. So depending on tip size, state, refaced yes/no, original lig and cap yes/no it could be anything between maybe 400 and 1000 USD (very rough guess).
 
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I think you’re right, the tips look wider than my other EB, but I measure 18mm. But what I also see, is that the body of the silvered one is shorter and the shank is longer with a wall thickness of 1mm, internal bore 17,1. it’s not machined later, it stil has the silver layer inside. The golden one has a wall thickness of 1,3mm, internal bore 16,8mm Strange this differences.
 
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[email protected] said:
I think you're right, the tips look wider than my other EB, but I measure 18mm. But what I also see, is that the body of the silvered one is shorter and the shank is longer with a wall thickness of 1mm, internal bore 17,1. it's not machined later, it stil has the silver layer inside. The golden one has a wall thickness of 1,3mm, internal bore 16,8mm Strange this differences.
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Babbitt used different blanks with slightly different characteristics. I also did read somewhere that a lot of experimenting took place in the period around 1980, from which your mouthpiece originates.

whaler said:
Just by looking at it them I'd say the second from the right probably plays the best.
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My guess would be that the first from the left (the Florida) plays the best, but 'best' is a word which will have a different meaning for each individual player (my best could be your worse and the other way around!)
 
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Although it’s very personal the first one, in my opinion the 6* Florida is the most versatile. Absolutely a great mouthpiece.
The difference between the second and third, the 7EBs is not very big. The golden EB is in very good condition, looks almost new. I bought it from the first owner who played about 5 years on it and took good care for it. This mouthpiece is straighter in sound, more projection compared to the silver EB. The silver color is just a little Rough but also rounder in sound. The last one is a 'normal' "super" tone master and also a good mouthpiece
 
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Re: Otto Link Early babbitt wide tip?

mrpeebee said:
I'm not sure Nick, because I've never seen a wide tip, but I guess it's close to the tip.
The values in the scheme come from the original sheet, which was not created by me.

See also posts #33 and #34 in the other thread:
https://forum.saxontheweb.net/showt...n-quot-chart&p=2451570&viewfull=1#post2451570
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Thanks Peter.
I took a few measurements of my Link STM pieces today.
Measurement A (Tip) Measurement B (Start of Bite plate) Measurement C (Middle of bite plate).
Here are my results.

1980's Long Body 7* A(19) B(20) C(22.75).
1980's STM 7* A(18) B(18.25) C(21).
Early Babbitt 8 A(18.5) B(19.5) C(21.25).
Earl Babbitt 9* A(18.5) B(19) C(21.5).
Early Babbitt 10 A(19) B(20) C(22).
Florida USA 10 A(19.5) B(20) C(21.75).
Florida USA 9* A(19) B(20) C(21.75).
Florida USA 9 A(19) B(20 C(22).
Florida no USA 8* A(19) B(19.5) C(21.75).

Probably doesn't really tell you anything, but interesting all the same.
 
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Interesting Nick. :)

Seems indeed that your measurement point A (close to the tip) corresponds best with the Otto Link identification chart values.
 
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Re: Otto Link Early babbitt wide tip?

leopoldojanin said:
I have an EB and the measurements are the same.
A (18.5) B (19.5) C (21.25).
This means that it is an EB Wide tip?
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Not a wide tip, but a normal EB (all the pieces measured by Nick above are also not wide tips).
 
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The variations of measurements both in tips, body’s and shanks is far beyond what may be mentioned in the charts etc.
I’m not entirely sure whether all these dimensions really matter except as a point of interest.
Although it might point to why no two Link STM’s play alike.
 
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1980's Long Body 7* A(19) B(20) C(22,75).
1980 STM 7* A(18) B(18,25) C(21).
Early Babbitt 8 A(18,5) B(19,5) C(21,25).
Earl Babbitt 9* A(18,5) B(19) C(21,5).
Primeiro Babbitt 10 A(19) B(20) C(22).
Flórida EUA 10 A(19,5) B(20) C(21,75).
Flórida EUA 9* A(19) B(20) C(21,75).
Flórida EUA 9 A(19) B(20 C(22).
Flórida nos EUA 8* A(19) B(19,5) C(21,75).
Meu Otto é o quinto de cima para baixo .
 
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