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Hi everybody,
I have the chance to buy an old metal link, coming from the ‘60 and totally missing the gold laquer. Not a special edition, just normal wear or a previous player had it unlaquer.
I am worried about the kind of metal it might be made of, lead content etc.
How do you guys clean the rust?
Relaquer is not an option on MP I think

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The mouthpieces are not lacquered, they are typically plated. An old metal link is probably gold plated. You can get the mouthpiece re-plated. Exposing your mouth to bare brass is not a great idea. While it might not provide an acute health risk, my guess is long-term exposure isn't great for your health.

Plenty of options for replating. I think Matt Marantz does plating on mouthpieces; you might consider sending it to him.

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FYI an information on the web site of JodyJazz:

Why is there a warning label on Metal Mouthpieces?
Almost all metal mouthpieces in the past and at the present time are made out of brass which can contain up to 3% lead. The lead in the brass is one of the components that give this particular brass it ’s hardness or rather it’s softness which makes it have a particularly pleasing sound to musicians. Proposition 65 from the state of California requires manufactures to label any products that have compounds in them that have been found to cause Cancer or Reproductive Harm. Lead is one of these Compounds. JodyJazz mouthpieces are electroplated with a layer of copper, then a layer of Nickel, Silver or Rhodium, and then a layer of Gold or Silver. This electroplating ensures that the raw brass is never in contact with the player.

I'm currently interested in a (new!) raw brass mouthpiece.
But I assume I will not buy this mpc because it seems there is some risk.
 

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Hi everybody,
I have the chance to buy an old metal link, coming from the '60 and totally missing the gold laquer. Not a special edition, just normal wear or a previous player had it unlaquer.
I am worried about the kind of metal it might be made of, lead content etc.
How do you guys clean the rust?
Relaquer is not an option on MP I think

Thanks
Why do these things come back regularly to haunt the people on the forum?

There are Many threads already which debunk this myth, here there is even a second myth, the hardness of the metal (or softness) has nothing to do with its sound. Read this https://forum.saxontheweb.net/showthread.php?174236-Does-mouthpiece-material-matter

Incidentally, there is no RUST on brass or any other metal. Oxidation with pitting is not rust.

Anyway, back to serious science ( the one which actually is based on facts, kowledge and experiments), we have a real material scientist among us, one whom actually knows what he talks about.

Much as I respect Paul Coats for his saxophonic contributions, I was dismayed to read this. Does Paul give any scientific basis (or references) for his statement?

I have investigated this issue myself in the past and have found no reason to worry. You may do similar searches yourself - look for MSDS (Material Safety Data Sheets) for brass. The greatest hazard, as I interpret the data, is from free-maching brass - brass that contains lead to make chips release more easily when turned or drilled. Even for that instance, if one performs diffusivity calculations for lead diffusing to the surface, it is very difficult to generate detectable amounts of lead in anything less than a geological period of time.

That said, some people are sensitive to brass. You'll know if you are one because you will probably have already suffered blisters or similar outbreaks on your skin from casual contact with bare brass on a hardward fitting or musical instrument.

Please let us know if you find anyone with hard facts to the contrary. I've been watching this issue with interest for a great many years because I am both a saxophone player and a materials scientist.
No its not. The lead content of the brass is pretty low (<4%), and even if you were to absorb some of it (you would have to have pretty acidic saliva), it would only leach out of the top most surface of the exposed brass. The actual amounts of lead you could ingest are trivially low. Remember...you are blowing through a mouthpiece, not sucking on it like a straw, so even if your spit was leaching lead out of the brass, you are not likely to be swallowing very much of it anyway.


If it still bothers you, you could always laquer the mouthpiece, you can but spray cans of clearcoat at any hardware store....
Anyway, as stated before there are LOTS of previous threads on this matter

https://forum.saxontheweb.net/archive/index.php/t-61367.html
https://forum.saxontheweb.net/showt...in-Metal-MPc’s-Mayer-Otto-Link-and-Theo-Wanne
https://forum.saxontheweb.net/showthread.php?99947-Mouthpiece-Safety
https://forum.saxontheweb.net/showthread.php?62057-Poison-Mouthpieces
https://forum.saxontheweb.net/showthread.php?350642-%93Avoid-brass-mouthpieces%94-(lead-content)
https://forum.saxontheweb.net/showthread.php?226055-leaded-crystal-in-mouthpiece
https://forum.saxontheweb.net/showthread.php?93837-Bare-BRASS-on-mouthpiece-a-health-hazard
 

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Your water pipes are assembled with lead.

Lead fixtures on your sink can contain up to 20 percent lead in the brass.

While there is stuff on the internet about this I have yet to fine even one article that has determined that a metal mouthpiece contributes anything to heavy metals in the blood stream.

IMHO there are a lot more things to fear.
 

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this is an age where scaremongers have find the perfect medium, the internet, to spread all kinds of hoaxes, false myths and legends ( to say nothing of beliefs ).

It doesn’t matter what, it’s out there in a second and some people will believe in it and carry the torch on.
 
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