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thought id throw this out, in youre guys opinion,what ny meyer copy or modern mpc would come closest to a vintage ny meyer? (alto) sound & consitency.
 

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In my opinion, Morgan Jazz.
 

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In my opinion, Morgan Jazz.
Agreed. Barone NY is a close second.
 

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Wow, a question I am eminently qualified to answer, having owned a Meyer NY, Morgan Jazz, Barone NY, and a Meyer New York Limited. It's a very close call. The Morgan is a little edgier than the others, the Barone has a fuller sound, but IMO, the Limited is closest to the Meyer NY; it's very even and consistent across the range of the horn and has a nice vintage tone to it. They're all great pieces. I just received my Lamberson Fmaj7 (after over a one year wait!), but haven't really had enough time with it to compare.
 

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I think the differences between many of these pieces are fairly small, but we magnify them in our minds (I know I do). But I have to admit trying a NY6 recently, owned by a friend, and I was shocked by how nice it was.

- Ed Pillinger's NY6A is nice. I'm keeping it, but the plastic feel is a problem. It's ok on louder gigs, but hard to produce a full, quiet tone on a quiet, restaurant type gig. I played a 20's band gig (staccato hell) and blending was impossible on this mouthpiece.
- I couldn't play the Barone at all-gave it away.
- Same for The GW-very uneven response on mine-gave that away too.
- V16 mouthpieces feel sort of dry and artificial to me (but I've only owned one)


The best success I've had (although I play a HR link anyway) is with modern Meyers. I have a 5 & 6 that I bought in the eighties that play fine. I've tried many recent Meyers for my students and they're good too. Some feel a bit different from others but that's just in shades. I've also tried some rubbish NY Meyers too (3 out of the 5 I've tried in fact). You need to try before you buy.

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An SR Tech L85 played very similar to my old NY-USA 5m; and I actually preferred it as it was more open.
I was also impressed with this one. The one a client sent to me (to open) was clear plastic, but was machined to be like a NY Meyer Bros on the inside. Played and sounded great.
 

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Yeah, I finally sold mine Mojo, but only because I recently scored a near identical back-up for my more open (and thus preferred) RPC. Just wondering though, I believe they thinned the rails a bit after around the 500 serial number for the SR Tech pieces. I had one of the old ones with the thicker rails. I'd be curious to know if folks compared the older and newer pieces.
 

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I play a clear legend 85 #448 i've never tried another but it's just a great mouthpiece I'd like to get another for a backup the thing just smokes and i haven't played anything better
 

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Grumps said:
Yeah, I finally sold mine Mojo, but only because I recently scored a near identical back-up for my more open (and thus preferred) RPC. Just wondering though, I believe they thinned the rails a bit after around the 500 serial number for the SR Tech pieces. I had one of the old ones with the thicker rails. I'd be curious to know if folks compared the older and newer pieces.
I can confirm this. In fact, not only were the rails wide, the space between them was such that a tenor reed would fit on there pretty comfortably I'm sure. I emailed the company about it and they confirmed that the early ones were like that. I sold the early one and got a later one but never had a chance to compare them side by side.
 

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I used to play one of the eariler clear SR's with the wider rails, sold it as it was a little bit nasal or weird in some way if I remember. Replaced that with the first of the RPC's I played for quite bit, grew tired of those as it didn't seem like there was enough core to the sound and I was using softer reeds than I preferred. Anyhow, I am checking out the new SR rubber .85 piece and its quite cool, but my question is if anyone has opinions on if this is actually rubber--it seems to have more complexity to the sound than the clear ones but I am not convinced its "the finest german hard rubber" as advertised. Anyhow, I would offer the new HR ones up as a good Meyer alternative...this one may replace my current piece...
 

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I feel that modern Meyer small chamber pieces are a lot like the old NY piece$.
 

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EZ said:
I feel that modern Meyer small chamber pieces are a lot like the old NY piece$.
Other sax players have recently said the same thing to me. I might try a Meyer 7M small chamber and see how that plays. If I do not like it, I am going with my original plan of finding a good blank and having it refaced to be an exact NY Meyer copy.
 

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There is a cat on youtube with username Selmer 1938 I think...He plays a SR Tech legend 85 on a balanced action horn--He sounds like Bird thru and thru...it's scary how good he is...He could make some killer jazz CD's I think...
Too bad he's lockd up in a bedroom somewhere...Check him out...


BTW...
Anchipolovsky gets a killer new york meyer sound on a Beechler Diamond 6

But it's interesting how everyone has some piece that is a new york meyer copy...
Ackerman, Pillinger, ESM, Bari, SR Tech, Barone, RPC, Lamberson, Vandoren, Morgan, Charles Bay...They all play great too...
 

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Some observations on the mouthpieces mentioned that I've owned... (I've owned a NY meyer, until very recently BTW).
Gwindplayer- not nearly enough baffle material, walls not scooped enough. Facings can be inconsistent.
V16 med chamber- curve is too short, chamber slightly too big, roll baffle a little too much. A bit too 'modern' sounding and edgy.
Morgan Jazz- Nice, but a little too bright. Has a wierd 'core' to the sound- perhaps can be described as 'basic.'

Modern Meyer (not refaced)- sweet sounding but uneven rails and facing give a lack of response.

The closest thing to my beloved NY Meyer...........
a modern meyer 7 refaced by Mark Spencer which plays inseperably from my NY 5- except that its bigger. The repsonse, sound- everything, is awesome.

There are plenty of good refacers out there. Get one refaced!
 

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Hi Benny, I am located on the Gold Coast and am wondering what chamber Meyer did you/Mark use? My saxes and gear are in storage in NZ(nearly 20 months) and I'm getting withdrawal symptoms... :(

Thanks
 

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A modern Meyer is a good blank to make into a good Meyer (weird sentence). The chamber shape is a little different than the coveted NY Meyer Bros. But I think good responsive facing work will trump the chamber shape.

Most of the Meyer clones are off the mark as much as modern Meyers are. I've been most impressed by the SR Tech Legend. Even in clear plastic, it was a good copy. (but I see I said this above too).
 
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