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Forgot to post this earlier, but there is officially a Hard Rubber version of the Nexus mouthpiece, here is Chad-LB playing some great stuff:
http://instagr.am/p/CSAaJV6lpKT/
Chad also did a blind test side by side of the HR and the 3d Printed, but didn't post the results yet. Here's that video:
http://instagr.am/p/CSFNu6tF0WI/
 

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If your really interested in this Saxophone brand supposedly they will be offering not only a Tenor but an Alto, Reeds based on the legendary La Voz reeds before they were acquired by D'Addario, two different mouthpieces (hard rubber ebonite and the white MP shown it is not plastic but something else) and they are shooting for release this fall. The finish for the sax will be unlacquered at around $3500 (we don't know whether there will be engraving or not) and the two tone will be the more expensive offering. Jack has really opened up about the what they were going for in the design process and He wanted to make a Pro Sax that is as light as possible like many of our beloved vintage horns. So that means any unnecessary weight was removed or literally cut off the prototype like the tilting table on the left hand pinky cluster. the one thing they are still waffling on is the high F# key and whether or not to remove it or leave it. I would say remove it but that's just me. Well that's what I've gathered so far and I can't wait for the alto reeds.
 

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If your really interested in this Saxophone brand supposedly they will be offering not only a Tenor but an Alto, Reeds based on the legendary La Voz reeds before they were acquired by D'Addario, two different mouthpieces (hard rubber ebonite and the white MP shown it is not plastic but something else) and they are shooting for release this fall. The finish for the sax will be unlacquered at around $3500 (we don't know whether there will be engraving or not) and the two tone will be the more expensive offering. Jack has really opened up about the what they were going for in the design process and He wanted to make a Pro Sax that is as light as possible like many of our beloved vintage horns. So that means any unnecessary weight was removed or literally cut off the prototype like the tilting table on the left hand pinky cluster. the one thing they are still waffling on is the high F# key and whether or not to remove it or leave it. I would say remove it but that's just me. Well that's what I've gathered so far and I can't wait for the alto reeds.
A quick update they will not have a High F#.
 

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Thanks for the update!

Back to your post you said the white piece wasn't plastic. It's certainly 3d printed, as Chad and Jack stated, figured it's some sort of synthetic material used in 3d printing- albeit maybe a unique one - but I would assume still a type plastic, since that's the common medium.
 

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Thanks for the update!

Back to your post you said the white piece wasn't plastic. It's certainly 3d printed, as Chad and Jack stated, figured it's some sort of synthetic material used in 3d printing- albeit maybe a unique one - but I would assume still a type plastic, since that's the common medium.
From what I understand it's going to be something besides plastic or rubber but can still be 3D printed ( I could certainly be wrong). For what exact material we'd likely have to ask Jack Specifically.
 

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From what I understand it's going to be something besides plastic or rubber but can still be 3D printed ( I could certainly be wrong). For what exact material we'd likely have to ask Jack Specifically.
That'd be interesting to learn for the gear heads among us. There exist a lot of options these days, so it is especially intriguing to learn about emerging technology.

For example - 3D Printing Materials | MakerBot

Thanks for sharing these updates.
 
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Oh no! That sucks.
why do you say that its less weight and most vintage horns don't have them to begin with. I get on fine without one and even when I had a YAS-62 in HS I never used it because it's easier to get into the altissimo range using the front F.
 

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why do you say that its less weight and most vintage horns don't have them to begin with. I get on fine without one and even when I had a YAS-62 in HS I never used it because it's easier to get into the altissimo range using the front F.
personal preference (not just mine, e.g. check out Sirvalorsax YT video on this topic). I understand some people strongly believe this key negatively impact the horn sound, but I don't. I see more upside in having it than not.
 

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personal preference (not just mine, e.g. check out Sirvalorsax YT video on this topic). I understand some people strongly believe this key negatively impact the horn sound, but I don't. I see more upside in having it than not.
I know SirValorSax is big fan of it and I don't believe it hinders the tone in any real way but it does impact the weight of the instrument for example a Cannonball VR is 7.54 lbs, YTS-62 7.47 lbs while their benchmark for tenors the Selmer Mark VI is 6.94 lbs. While this may not seem like a big difference it feels like it is on a gig especially if you move around a lot. The more you add to the saxophone will also impact how it vibrates and physically connects to you. One of the biggest things Vintage Sax players love about those horns is how connected you feel to the Sax. Does it impact the sound maybe a tiny bit but the very few benefits of the high F# makes it almost unimportant especially when you consider most student models are missing it as well.
 

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Another small update after the Boston Sax shop Live Mondays @5PM on Instagram. Jack let us in on a little more of what they did to insure this is the lightest Saxophone possible they have chosen to incorporate in anodized aluminum in place of steel (don't worry the springs are still steel) specifically the bracing joints for the bow and the neck tenon screw. Jack jokingly referred to the screw as a "low mass screw". I've got to hand is to them they are offering something rather unique and not just another Selmer/Yamaha/Yanagisawa copy with extra bracing.
 

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The heavier saxes to me have a "ringy" sound (not good, to me), but that may just be those models. I have a Buescher Aristocrat from the 1930's that was factory relacquered in the 70's, and it completely changed the sound. The core and low notes were not as good and it just sounds different. It felt lighter. In this case, lighter was not good. A Mark VI is not the lightest horn, but it seems about right, and feels very connected. I think you are onto something...but there are of course other variables.
 

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The heavier saxes to me have a "ringy" sound (not good, to me), but that may just be those models. I have a Buescher Aristocrat from the 1930's that was factory relacquered in the 70's, and it completely changed the sound. The core and low notes were not as good and it just sounds different. It felt lighter. In this case, lighter was not good. A Mark VI is not the lightest horn, but it seems about right, and feels very connected. I think you are onto something...but there are of course other variables.
The lacquer shouldn't have changed the sound since were talking about something thinner than a sheet of paper. What likely changed the sound was either new/different pads or work on tone holes.
 

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The “F# key adds more weight” people crack me up. How much more weight are we talking about here?
 

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The “F# key adds more weight” people crack me up. How much more weight are we talking about here?
It all adds up and its not just the High F# there are plenty of spots where sax manufacturers have added more metal to horns in the last 50 years since the MK VI. Whether they are improvements is certainly up for debate.
 

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Another small update after the Boston Sax shop Live Mondays @5PM on Instagram. Jack let us in on a little more of what they did to insure this is the lightest Saxophone possible they have chosen to incorporate in anodized aluminum in place of steel (don't worry the springs are still steel) specifically the bracing joints for the bow and the neck tenon screw.
I love a good galvanic couple.

Were the original joints actually steel?

If you really want to lighten a sax, why not drill out the key cups?

Another extreme weight loss action: Replace long rods with either carbon fiber or Ti tubing. Look to the bicycling industry of the last few decades for how to shave weight - Ti screws.

On the other hand, don't use a metal mouthpiece. That's as much a weight-saving swap as everything else combined.
 

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I love a good galvanic couple.

Were the original joints actually steel?

If you really want to lighten a sax, why not drill out the key cups?

Another extreme weight loss action: Replace long rods with either carbon fiber or Ti tubing. Look to the bicycling industry of the last few decades for how to shave weight - Ti screws.

On the other hand, don't use a metal mouthpiece. That's as much a weight-saving swap as everything else combined.
I always look to the high end Porsche models. Magnesium wheels anyone?

 
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