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I play tenor for relative short time (like a year or so). I bought a Jupiter 575 tenor and it came with a Jupiter 4C mouthpiece. I works ok, but I want a better sound and a bit more control. I tried this week a Rico Metallite M7 and it sounded twice as loud and a bit too bright. That might be also because I couldn't get a sound out of it with my regular blue vandoren 2 or 2.5 reeds, and had to downsize to size 1 reeds. That made it play easy and secure, but much too bright. So I thought that the tip opening was too big? What would you please recommend from Vandoren? I want just a nice, allround sound, better than the Jupiter 4C.
Thank you very much!
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There are lots of good choices. And soso choices. And downright poor choices.

Yamaha 4C or 4CM
Yanagisawa 5
Selmer C*
Hite Premiere
and so on ...

Those are just a few of the more popular "Beginner~friendly" MPs out there.
Metalite and its cousin the Rico Graftonite are very polarizing choices.
Some folks like, some folks hate. But they sure are big and bright!

A lot depends on what kind of sound you want.

Ultimately, the only reliable good advice might be that you will have to try them out yourself to know.
Nobody else can tell you what will work in your mouth, and help you to sound the way you want to sound.
 

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I gave you a very pared down list of exactly those. Middle of the road choices, without knowing anything about you or your preferences.

Good, safe all around choices. You can always take the plunge and try a couple of 50 Euro used ones and see what you get.
 

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Well, if you can't manage a #7 Metalite with #2 Vandoren reeds, you're still a beginner, so I'd either keep with what you've got or consider variants of the same thing. Meyer, Otto Link hard rubber, Selmer S-80, Selmer Soloist, Brilhart Ebolin, Vandoren, and so on.
 

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Hi.
I play tenor for relative short time (like a year or so). I bought a Jupiter 575 tenor and it came with a Jupiter 4C mouthpiece. I works ok, but I want a better sound and a bit more control. I tried this week a Rico Metallite M7 and it sounded twice as loud and a bit too bright. That might be also because I couldn't get a sound out of it with my regular blue vandoren 2 or 2.5 reeds, and had to downsize to size 1 reeds. That made it play easy and secure, but much too bright. So I thought that the tip opening was too big? What would you please recommend from Vandoren? I want just a nice, allround sound, better than the Jupiter 4C.
Thank you very much!
Horatiu
A few notes:

1) You mentioned you are looking for something with more control. For many, more control is not so much related to a mouthpiece as it is your embouchure and your reed. I'm in my 5th year of playing the tenor and my embouchure is still developing. I play 60 - 90 minutes a day.

2) If you could give us some detail on the challenge your face with the 4C, this group might be able to help faster. Is your reed collapsing when you blow too hard, or on certain notes? Are you not able to get the intonation you desire (too sharp, too flat, or all over the place)? Are you not able to play loud enough? Are you not able to hit the high notes? Do you have problems with the low C, low B, and low Bb? Do you squeak too much?

3) Do you primarily play Classical. Most beginners do, but if you are switching from another instrument, you might be playing a lot of jazz.

4) Do you mostly play solo, or are you trying to blend with a band?

5) Again, we need to know your budget. You mentioned an interest in Vandoren..but your most recent purchase was a Rico Metallite. Hard to get a Vandoren mouthpiece for the price of a Metallite.

Some people like the flexibility of a larger tip opening coupled with a softer reed (2 or 2.5). This allows them to 'bend' note to the tuning they desire...and so they feel that this type of set up gives them more control.

Others like a smaller tip with a slightly stiffer reed because this set-up natural has a more consistent centering (for intonation). The ability to play consistently in tune without having to change embouchure much, makes me feel as if I have more control; as it allows me to focus on other stuff.

It is hard to therefore make a recommendation without knowing some more specifics. Any information you could add would be helpful.

Please also know, that nearly everyone on this forum understand your desire to upgrade mouthpieces. If you have been playing for a year, it makes complete sense. We just don't want you to spend more money on another incorrect mouthpiece. (The Rico Metallite would be an example of incorrect mouthpiece).
 

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The budget matters a lot but so does sound concept. Who do you listen to? Who are your influences on playing? Again is this classical or any other style. Church doesn’t imply much unfortunately as there are so many different styles played in churches.

As for non classical, jazz related playing I would say look to the Otto Link mouthpieces to help you develop but that is by no means a comprehensive anything. If you aren’t listening to anyone, that should be your first step. No matter what kind of piece, you will need to learn to control it. Not that it would be loud or bright. That can be learned. Do you have a teacher?
 

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Wow... that's a lot of infos right here...so:
1.I would say style is ballads, smooth jazz,... pop?
2. Control problem ... middle D jumping 50% of the time to high A (but this one is mouthpiece specific, because the Metallite didn't have that problem)
High register is fine, also the low register. The problem is that I get a ducky sound sometimes, like a clarinet(no offense for the clarinet players out there)
3. Budget would be 100-150€
4. My playing is mostly solos as intros and in bridges in the church's worship band, from old hymns to more pop style songs.
5. Please understand that I am an amateur player, mostly self taught, no teacher.

I know there's no straight answer to my inquiry, but I was hoping for something like: "Go get a Vandoren Optimum TL4 and you'll be fine!"
 

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The octave issue makes me think you are biting. Do you have a teacher or tech who can play your setup?
Try relaxing your embroschure. If the problem is technique dont try to buy your way out of it. If you bite on a bigger tip piece you will always struggle with intonation.
 

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I don't know about the Jupiter 4C, but my Yamaha 6C seems to mature and improve over the years. I think blowing longtones and overtones through it; playing it with a drone tone generator and such like ferments it's molecules... or something...
 
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