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Hello everybody,

I'd like first by this thread get some advices that can help me with the problem I will describe below, but as I'm also a teacher, not in music but in a domain that have something precious in common with music : I teach flying and, in my mind, it's only music, jazz in particular, that need and commands and essential and and strict preparation, not only technically or intellectually, but all of yourself. If you wanna touch the untouchable or the invisible, you have to get prepared to. But both activities can produce som OK newcommers with sleeping, unused potential to a plenty of average week-end users. In history of music and flight,we notice that a simple human has no really need of money to become an all star; but maybe simply a singular meeting and a real relationship with ; we don't know what or why or how there's sometimes for some people a curious experience when some day, amongst the bucket of, I say sounds, thrownd and pulsed bu more and more Db, there's a thing , some building of notes that pases through the doggy part of or conscious and touches something that makes us, as long as the music plays, somebody else, and sometimes it appears to us as a stranger, a fool programmer that penetrated your brain but not to change your brain, just wake-up the rest of the body.

I'm sorry My introduction was so long, but it was spontaneous and maybe it will be useful for comprehension.

I'M a 47 years old guy, I have a severe a chronic illness that destroyed all that I built for decades, as I was a paragliding, paramotoring and hangliding teacher. I created my own school 15 years ago. I'm in quebec, Canada. As I'm far from the main urban center, I developped an approach that made my reputation : I tell this to anyone who want to leanr to fly a sailplane ( I mean evething rhat fly without an engine ) : You don't know yet what I'll tell you, but you're not here to learn to fly; you are here to use the flight to change or discover something precious in you. I'm the only one who teach this way, but it pays a lot.

Last year, the illness causes so many injuries I said farewel to the time when I was in athletic shape, cause today to be honest I'm closer to an handicapad personn.

And, there was the jazz. I listen music since i was a kid. At 18 ( 25 years ago ), I knew all about the graet classic composers. One year later, I was admitted at the University in classical guitar. That wasn't a bad experience and I abandonned. But, I learned all the music theory, history and I have an ear training very close to what we call in french ''oreille Absolue".

25 years after, I decided to use music as a pleasure therapy. I want to learn jazz on saxophone. OK I can play anything in the real book in the rythm. OK I can ear any chord progression a measure before. OK I can sing or scat solos that looks like pros. But, when I' on tha sax, all my mind and body reject the technical part of learning impro, scales, chords progresion. My brain want to do so, but all the rest say no. Just play....

As if somewhere my body would see it as another kind or suffering ...

Pros, what do you suggets !
 

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Music is something that should be felt, not played. Jazz is a beautiful branch off the tree of music, and should be played with passion, feeling, and soul. Expression should be places behind every note, every sound that leaves your instrument. I'm not entirely clear on what your saying, how your body rejects it. Learning is learning, it takes time and patience. Your body does not control you, you control YOUR body. If YOU want to play, you should be able to. I recommend you work on scales first and foremost. Take time with it, as much time as you need. Then after that, you can put thought into your improv(assuming your no amateur player, as improv takes a great deal of skill at times). Improvisation is whatever you want it to be. Make it your own. Don't be afraid to break out of your shell! Show yourself just how much potential you have!
 

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Hello Brandenq188,

thank you very much for your reply as you excel the hope I had to get a reply to my very personal bizarre thread start. ( Please remember that english isn't my first language ).

First I'd like to say that WOW...reading my previous thread, some could think I'm a weed ozone ambiance character ....but I'm not. Just a guy who's living with pain as everyday meal, I mean 24/7.

I just wanted to know in the starting thread, as I'm by myself a teacher of something that needs to be felt till the fingertips and more, with pure passion to perform at your best. No matter if you drive or not the Trane Express to the skies...

But scales, reflected in my spup just simpy appears to mas you suggest is a kind of ''wortk'' as well as the work I do in a week like most of people. But work for me equals to my no 1 opponent: a generator of pain...and that's why I told my ''body''' rejects that kind of work.

I met some jazz trumpet played lasty week and, after describing my difficulties, he suggested me to play arpeggiosor hord progresion II7-V7-1 in the 12 keys.

For me it's a more joyful approach . What do you suggest on your side? Do you understand more what I mean now?

I will soon be 48 y.o.so I don't plan to play like Parker or Coltrane...just have fur and challenge while improvising. Soprano is my beloved instruments and as I said, don't worry to play in tune or in rythm; and last but nt least, Kenny G stands on rank 33, 658 of my idols....;o)

So, I'd really like to read you again.

JOE

By this time, please let me wish you a very peaceful Christmas time.
 

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OP, remember how you taught flight in stages? You may have told the student that becoming one with the machine (the sail plane in this instance) was the goal, but you still had to teach the student all the initial ways to get to that point. I think learning to express oneself musically is a lifelong journey. All the instruments (by instruments I mean the note progressions, the attacks, the styles etc) we use to actually play the sax as an instrument itself have to be internalized. We have to learn those stages in order to use them to manage what we hear internally and bring it out on our horns. It isn't an easy process. And I can understand a slight bit of frustration when a teacher of one thing takes something else on which requires the same thought processes. You're starting over. Your question (a good one by the way) tells you so. But unlike other disciplines where a goal might be working a glider to to overcome or use the winds around it in the most natural fashion, now you're working entirely on your brain being able to convey its ideas to the parts of you playing your horn. Not taking away from it but flying is a very finite lesson skill. There's only so much (not meaning "only so much" as a simple task-don't get me wrong) to learn to fly correctly. But there is much more to learn in order to transition from playing well to becoming the musician.

A musican can take a scale in whole notes and make it beautiful. That same musician can make a flurry of notes sound just as beautiful. But someone who just plays, that person tends to try to build "skills" around how much they can cram into eight measures before they run out of ideas.

Take a few steps back. Play the music you might think is "simple" or too easy and make that sound beautiful. Embellish it and record yourself. Then do the same in the way you thought was the right way to progress skill wise and listen to the differences. But don't be discouraged. Work on both kinds of musical skills but concentrate on the slow stuff more for the present. The point is you really need to start again at a point where what you hear in your head can be translated into the music coming out of your horn.

Always always always, the music is the master. We only serve it.

Harv
 

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If you can hear the progressions really well and sing scat solo's that sound well, the only thing that you need to do is to put in the work to get familiar with the instrument. You want to find the notes you hear in your head on your horn. start with playing all the triads ( major and minor ) in the circle of fourths and chromatically. slowly.
by the way if french is your first language there is a section here somewhere ( if i remember correctly) that is in french. maybe a moderator can show you how to access that part ?
 

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Hello all,

this a very interesting thread in my opinion. Of course, it would be easier for me to exchange in french, but as you know guys, where did JAZZ come to life ?

I thank you very much for words of wisdom and I wish you a very peaceful Christmas time !
 
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