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I only had it for an hour so that I could play and see if it needed any fine adjustments. It plays great with a locked in intonation and focused sound.

Keyboard is somewhat modern so easy to use. This horn is light and reminds me of playing a C Melody.

Here is a couple of pics until I get the horn back in a few days.
 

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slobber slobber drip drool.

I was quite surprised at how light my 57 was when I first picked it up. Dunno' why but I was expecting a much heavier horn. And its instant obedience from the moment my breath enter the mouthpiece.
 

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Amazing condition! I look forward to hearing what you think about your Kohlert compared to your B&S tenor.
 
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After the fine adjustments are made I can play the horn and find out the specifics. I have a matching alto coming soon.

As far as comparing to my modern B&S I did a quick A/B and there is some similarities in ergos but that is where they stop being anything close to each other.

When I get the horn back I will report all that is pertinent.

Thanks for your support guys.
 

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Thanks Brian, also interested in your thoughts on the alto.
 

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Thanks Brian, also interested in your thoughts on the alto.
I am as well. I have one Kohlert Winneden Regent that plays but not well. What I get out of it sounds beautiful. A clear focused sweet sound. The Winneden alto I have coming next week is
a match to the tenor here, and then I'm going to restore the three Winniden Regent altos to sell next year.

I'm on the lookout for 57 tenor to restore as well.
 

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...I'm going to restore the three Winniden Regent altos to sell next year. I'm on the lookout for 57 tenor to restore as well.
Maniac! I bet your preferred tech loves you!
 

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Maniac! I bet your preferred tech loves you!
Actually he told me jokingly yesterday that if I brought him another one of these tenors he would kill me.

Then I told him about the matching alto :))

Just took delivery of a Boosey-Hawkes Kohlert that looks no older than a 10 year old horn with decent pads. It might actually play!

Plus its complete nothing missing.
 

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Just took delivery of a Boosey-Hawkes Kohlert that looks no older than a 10 year old horn with decent pads. It might actually play!
I have a B&H Oxford tenor and alto, which I believe to be Kohlert Bixley stencils. They both have a reaaaallllly nice tone, though the tenor isn't as good ergonomically as my B&S CJS. It also demands a LOT more air, even after my tech serviced it, and is more picky about mouthpieces than the B&S.
 

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I have a B&H Oxford tenor and alto, which I believe to be Kohlert Bixley stencils. They both have a reaaaallllly nice tone, though the tenor isn't as good ergonomically as my B&S CJS. It also demands a LOT more air, even after my tech serviced it, and is more picky about mouthpieces than the B&S.
Nothing touches a modern B&S imho but this Winneden tenor is outstanding for a half century old horn. My tech had to really work hard to get the rods, and posts straight and working but the results speak for themselves. It has smooth action that if not modern very close and the tone is unique and so in tune I was shocked. Focused tone with tons of projection using a vintage HR Selmer Soloist F. I will get more time on it when the horn comes back from being dialed in.

The lacquer is all intact and has turned into a dark smoky lacquer.

I will report back after a couple weeks of playing the horn.
 

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Newly acquired Kohlert Boosey-Hawkes alto. It has great pads and metal resos but is so leaky it will not play :(

Only show a couple of small dings near the octave key and the lacquer and nickle plated keys are almost like new.

Going to the shop for a look see and adjustments.
 

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Newly acquired Kohlert Boosey-Hawkes alto. It has great pads and metal resos but is so leaky it will not play :(

Only show a couple of small dings near the octave key and the lacquer and nickle plated keys are almost like new.

Going to the shop for a look see and adjustments.
Yup basically a Regent or Bix stencil, good horns too. A bit less 'substantial' feeling than the '5X and Winnendens, but also lighter which would be preferable to some folks.

What this thread illustrates is something which I and slews of vintage aficionados have been saying for years....there are a LOT of old makes out there which get basically ignored, and even techs will dismiss 'em outright....

Most of these impressions are the result of the particular instruments not having been kept up very well, so when folks have tried 'em, they are trying a horn in relatively poor tack. But they do not consider that very large asterisk in their assessment, and conclude the horns are nothing worthwhile. Add to it techs who really are only familiar with 'big 4 vintage' makers, and these get dismissed very often.

But ....when invested in a bit, when put into really good playing condition, we find that a LOT of these older makes actually will give no ground to a more popular brand in equal condition.

Then oftentimes - you get the added bonus - many actually possess a very unique character/vibe, often in tone... but also blowing response ...and even occasionally in ergo/key action (which can turn out to be surprisingly good even though the keywork LOOKS sorta clunky to the eye).....not found in a modern horn.

Kudos to you, Brian, for taking your new obsession and running with it :bluewink:
 

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Yup basically a Regent or Bix stencil, good horns too. A bit less 'substantial' feeling than the '5X and Winnendens, but also lighter which would be preferable to some folks.

What this thread illustrates is something which I and slews of vintage aficionados have been saying for years....there are a LOT of old makes out there which get basically ignored, and even techs will dismiss 'em outright....

Most of these impressions are the result of the particular instruments not having been kept up very well, so when folks have tried 'em, they are trying a horn in relatively poor tack. But they do not consider that very large asterisk in their assessment, and conclude the horns are nothing worthwhile. Add to it techs who really are only familiar with 'big 4 vintage' makers, and these get dismissed very often.

But ....when invested in a bit, when put into really good playing condition, we find that a LOT of these older makes actually will give no ground to a more popular brand in equal condition.

Then oftentimes - you get the added bonus - many actually possess a very unique character/vibe, often in tone... but also blowing response ...and even occasionally in ergo/key action (which can turn out to be surprisingly good even though the keywork LOOKS sorta clunky to the eye).....not found in a modern horn.

Kudos to you, Brian, for taking your new obsession and running with it :bluewink:
I think you are totally correct. The 40's Winneden seems to be a more substantial and heavier horn then the 50-60's Kohlerts. It weighs slightly under my B&S CJS but it feels solid unlike some modern horns coming out of China and Taiwan and anything from Conn International that I have played.

I feel like I hit the jackpot after obsessing on Keilwerth made horns for years I'm finding vintage Kohlerts to be even more unique and every bit as substantial.

Thank you for your great advice on these horns.
 

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Horn came back but the key heights did not work for me so it is being adjusted to my specs. Should be getting the matching alto tonight.
 
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