[klarinette]

Hi,

I tried a vandoren mouthpiece quite sometime ago.
Its either M30 or M13 I can't remember which, but I know that the tone I produced on the clarinet was pretty warm round and nice.

Which do u all reckon it is? Does the M30 or M13 produce the warmer tone.

Help help! I cant go for more expensive mouthpieces because I'm on a budget, grabners and stuff are too costly for me sadly =(

 

[stevesklar]

could have been the M13 which has a smaller tip opening than the M30

i don't recall the baffle design on either of them though as the deeper baffle probably is what you are looking for. I have a M13 - haven't played it though.

i have pics of the M13 here - prob not much help though
http://www.clarinetperfection.com/CLgallerympc.HTM#Vandoren

 

[stevesklar]

Vandy's website has no definition for the M30, but has this for the M13 & M13 Lyre

lyre - a little more open than the M13 mpc,
it permits easy blowing with harder reeds
and produces a rich and centered sound.
The M13 Lyre is recommended for symphonic
and chamber music

M13 - Offer many of hte characteristics of
older american mpcs with are so widely sought after.
The M13 permis easy blowing with harder reeds andproduces a rich, dark,
centered sound. response is particularly sensitive

 

[dirty]

I've never played an M30, but I played on an M13 while helping a friend pick out a mouthpiece, and it was pretty nice. Sweet, compact and clear tone. The only other Vandoren clarinet mouthpiece I've played was a B45, which I thought was too open and needed reeds that were too soft for my tastes, which, for me, resulted in a tone that was a little too spread, too bright and not loud enough.

For that price, the M13 is hard to beat. Still doesn't top my Borbeck, though.

 

[stevesklar]

wow, the M13 Lyre is a pretty nice mpc. open enough to get some really good dynamics.

see what you did ... now i gotta get a hold of a M13

I looked up the M13 a bit more. and Vandoren apparently designed it after - thought not a copy of - the old Chedevilles.

i tested it on a E11 and a Leblanc Symphonie 3. On both it sounded very nice, good response top to bottom and nice clear tonewhile allowing complexities with a nice ring (round sound).

 

[klarinette]

Thanks for the responses!
I've tried the B45 as well, and I didn't like it very much, the tone was too thin? and not to my liking. Though I'm a symphonic band player and the B45 is meant for symphonic players so they say.

Hahs. Now I've got people trying the mouthpieces out!
I desperately want to try both mouthpieces out, but unfornunately, I can't as there are limited wind shops in Perth Australia where I am. =(

I'm playing on a leblanc rapsodie and the resistance of the clarinet is pretty strong and I'm embarrassingly still using the mouthpiece provided with the clarinet. The tone i'm producing with it is HIGHLY annoying to me. I can't take it anymore. HAHA.

I can't remember, I've read somewhere that the M30 produces a warm tone, but I'm so unsure. lol. If anybody tries it please provide reviews?

Thanks for all the info steve! Much appreciated. Grab that M13 and give it a shot! HAHA.

 

[klarinette]

I've also realised that the M13 is part of vandoreans 13 series, which means the pitch is A440, and I need one with 442 pitch to match with the symphonic band. DANG.

Or does it come in the 442 pitch too?:?

 

[stevesklar]

Series 13 (440s pitch) is for
B40, B45, b40 Lyre, M30, 5RV Lyre, 5RV, M15, M13 Lyre and M13

442 pitch - non Series 13
everything *except* the M13 lyre, M13 and AT45 (a brighter B45 with diff material)

so the M30 is the only one available in 442
of course, a shortened M13 might work too

with more vintage mpcs i don't think they have that designation and most would be about 440

 

[stevesklar]

i'm not much of a fan of the Bxx series of mpcs either. They seem really nice for even response etc etc. Just not the tonal qualities i like from the mpcs.

 

[stevesklar]

FWIW, i don't own a Rhapsodie but i've found them fairly consistent top to bottom with a very even response and not too much resistance - completely dependent upon player mpc etc.

But the Rhapsodie is considered a polycylindrical small bore clarinet @ 14.6mm bore. so you are going to have more resistance vs a large bore if you try to blow your brains out.

 

[stevesklar]

interesting .. where there once was a blank .. there is now words.
Vandy's definition of the M30 ... "Designed to provide more flexibility, the M30 incoprates a very long facing and a large tip rail to produce a mpc similar in sonority to the B40, with easier sound production qualities."

well .. I don't like the Bxx .. so I'm going to pass on this one even though there's on on ebay right now with 2.5 days left.

still trying to find a M13 (i think there used to be an M11 too ??)

 

[klarinette]

Thats pretty strange but benefical for my situation now. HAHA.
Naww...it doesnt talk much about the tonal qualities of the mouthpiece though, but I tend to put quite alot of mouthpiece in because of the shape of my mouth.
Would the longer facing for the M30 help?
I've played on B40 vandy's and i reckon the tone is warmer and nicer than that of the B45.

I really feel like getting a M13 mouthpiece at the moment, its a pity that it only comes in 440 pitch. Vandy better make a M13 in 442 pitch soon. Hah!

Yea, the rapsodie has a very even response that helps in tonal control quite a bit, but the higher notes are rather stressful to produce compared to yamaha's and buffets. I tend to squeeze too much on the sides to get really high notes out, which thins the tone down. Practice practice practice, I need to do more long tones.