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Do people use those mouthpiece cushions over the bite plates on metal pieces?
 

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The answer to your question is yes.

I also thought I'd mention that I play a Guardala and it came with a soft bite plate. The problem was that, over time, I bit through it and could not find a replacement. I'm sure I could have had a tech make a hard one for me, but I decided to do a bit of experimenting. I got one of those Nite-guards for people that grind their teeth in their sleep, cut off a piece, melted it and glued it into place on my mouthpiece. I have to replace it every couple of months, but I'm very happy with the way it feels.

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I'm just confused as to why after some of these metal mouthpieces cost as much as a used sax itself, there are no dedicated mouthpiece pads/patches that fit the shape of a metal mp beak.
 

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Such an iffy aftermarket 'or' stock 'OEM' item... This is the first of many sax mods or custom (individual) changes that is up to you to contrive... Manufacturers take care of the big stuff (building horns or mouthpieces), any mouthpiece refacer can make you detailed special patches...
 

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I'm just confused as to why after some of these metal mouthpieces cost as much as a used sax itself, there are no dedicated mouthpiece pads/patches that fit the shape of a metal mp beak.
The simple answer is that it would cost more to produce, thus cutting into their profits; and people like to make a quick and easy buck. But some players put patches on even Otto Links that come with bite pads so as not to wear them out, so it's not really worthy of a crusade.
 

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Well I have tried the electrical tape cut to make patches on my HR pieces and while it works it still isn't as good as the thick 8mm patches from BG or Vandoren. I'm just surprised the same companies that make the patches don't make a dedicated metal mouthpiece patch to cover bite plates without damaging them. Do most players not use anything more than the bite plate on metal pieces? I remember my old Dukpoff pieces rattling my teeth on an alto years ago when I swore off metal mouthpieces for good, but am now reconsidering them for tenor to get better projection and a bigger brighter sound to stand out in a rock band.
 

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The mouthpiece patch makers know that we (the buyers)will trim them to what
ever size we need from Soprano to Baritone.
 

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Maybe they underestimated those that would rather have them pre-made for a certain type of sax or woodwind instrument. They also underestimated laziness of people that don't want to spend time to fiddle with cutting out their own patches. If that was the case, why don't they just sell blank 8x10 sheets of the pad material and we can cut our own and they could sell the sheet for a set price which would be cheaper since there is little to no processing on their end. Actually does anyone know where they sell sheets of Neoprene? Some of that and some adhesive and boom perfect solution and probably cheaper than buying patches
 

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I'm confused. I use Runyon clear patches, or Vandoren clear patches if the Runyons are sold out, and they fit on the beaks of both HR and metal mouthpieces just fine. I also buy smaller patches cut specifically for clarinet and soprano saxophone mouthpieces.

If you want a patch to be placed only on the actual biteplate of a metal mouthpiece (instead of extending out onto a portion of the metal beak as well), you can buy some of Theo Wanne's replaceable "biteplates" for his metal mouthpieces. They're basically just a biteplate-sized clear mouthpiece patch.
 

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It's not a big deal, get your favorite style of mouthpiece patch and then get a pair of scissors spend 10 seconds or less and cut it so it'll fit the bite plate. or you can be lazy like almost every other sax player and just stick it on the mouthpiece. then play and forget.
 

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I can understand not wanting to cut the patch with a pair of scissors, though I have also done it when necessary. There are quite a lot of different patches out there in the market, and they come in various widths and shapes. Chances are fairly good that you can find one to fit your mouthpiece if you are willing to hunt around.

Yamaha patches tend to be quite wide at the bottom, having a pronounced wedge shape, so they tend not to be suitable for metal mouthpieces. BG patches are slightly narrower, and Runyon patches are kind of ovalish, and do not flare out too much. I use those on my Link STM and narrow HR pieces like the the Runyons. Sometimes you could also buy smaller patches meant for soprano sax for example, to use on your metal tenor or alto pieces, and this should work nicely, as Buck has posted above.

However, on narrow soprano mouthpieces like the Runyons, metal ones etc., I have found it necessary to cut the patches down so that it will fit nicely. I prefer to use patches on all mouthpieces, whether metal or not.
 

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fusion1... Yes I did display sarcasm, but to a statement... Use what you need... Your kinda cheesy whining about 'Why don't someone make 'just' what I need!' is just a little bit lame... 3M, make anything you want... Online, buy many kinds and sizes and 'cut' what you want... Gaffers tape (I use back 3/4") torn as to need... Hey, try a bit of gaff tape over yer' front two teeth...
 

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I find that patches on my metal tenor mp tend to slip much more than on my ebonite alto mp. Whether because of the narrower profile or what I don't know. This I find rather irritating but then I find most things rather irritating. Anyway, I suppose clarinet patches would be a good fit in terms of size. Personally I snip a larger mp patch in two or use electrical tape or similar.
 
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