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Phil Barone, in his eBay ads about his saxes, has written perhaps the most honest, open and informative narrative about Taiwanese saxes I have yet to read from any merchant. Grumps should be especially warmed by this openness. :D I am posting this here not just as a kudo to Phil, but because I think it will answer many questions people have about Taiwanese saxes. With Phil's permission I have edited his writing. Enjoy!

WHY YOU SHOULD BUY MY SAXOPHONES AND THE TRUTH ABOUT TAIWANESE INSTRUMENTS

About twenty years ago some musical instrument distributors began importing Taiwanese saxophones to the US with some success. A few of them were multi-colored and while this was an innovative concept the quality of workmanship was poor. Some repairman disparaged their quality. Frequently, these instruments played out of tune, broke down, and worse, were difficult to repair. The metal was soft causing stripped threads and other problems such as bent posts. The primarily reason for the poor quality control was inexperience. That has drastically changed.

I have been in the saxophone mouthpiece business for over twenty years and in the first few years my workmanship and concepts were not what they are now. After ten years I got better but I still had a lot to learn so I went back to school and studied engineering. As with any business there is a learning curve and I peaked out after about being in the business for about fifteen years although I am still learning but in smaller increments. Experience is paramount in life and a great contributor to my success was the fact that my saxophone playing improved and I was exposed to more extremely high level saxophone players. Toward the end of Michael Brecker's life he was playing a mouthpiece I made called a Hollywood but long before I worked for Michael many top level players were using my mouthpieces and custom mouthpiece work. I understand what saxophone players want.

In the manufacturing process, there are two main components, technology and the quality of the finished product. With saxophones in particular, it took many years for companies like Selmer, Yamaha, and Yanagasawa to acquire this expertise and find the optimum tone hole placement and size. While this was achieved through trial and error, it still falls under the category of technology. Optimum tone hole size and placement is important for good intonation and an even scale. There may be some things you may not like about a newly acquired saxophone, however, they do play more in tune and the scale is more even. Wisely, the Taiwanese were able to duplicate all of the technology and nuances of Selmer, Yaanagasawa, and Yamaha.

A LITTLE ABOUT CRAFTSMANSHIP

After acquiring a reputable name in the business, I began receiving offers from saxophone manufacturers in Taiwan and China to private label a saxophone with the Phil Barone name. But, having heard so many negative opinions from numerous saxophone players I refused these offers. I knew that the quality of the horns would not be of quality standard deserving to bear the Phil Barone name. That is, until recently. A small company sprang up bearing a French name but with a quality product that surprised, even shocked me. Upon investigation, I found that the company was based in Taiwan. These saxophones are superb and of such superiority that many professional players are using them.

ARE ALL TAIWANESE SAXOPHONES EQUAL?

In Taiwan the various brands of saxophones are all coming from the same region. The parts of the saxophones are made at different companies by families that specialize in making a specific part or parts. One family may make the neck, another family might make the keys etc. Then, they purchase all the parts they need to assemble a complete saxophone and there are others who don't make any parts but just assemble the saxophones. Then, you have individuals that are brokers that sell the saxophones on eBay or by other methods and some of them sell other products too such as car parts. So, are all Taiwanese saxophones created equally? Yes, with some minor differences.

In some cases you may have two families making let's say a key guard so there will be a cosmetic difference or since they are assembled by different people there may be some differences in key height and other variables as a result of the assembly process. Sometimes a company buying the saxophones has a lot of buying power so they have more leverage in having the manufacturer make changes. But provided the people assembling them are qualified then the saxophones are the same. This is called repeatability in manufacturing but where hand-work or the use of organic components are used like pads repeatability is compromised. To date, I have purchased enough of these horns to say that the repeatability is superb. I have decided to put my name and reputation on the line and have begun importing these instruments, made to my specifications.

With some minor exceptions, most saxophones manufactured in Taiwan are referred to as "private labeled". Private label products are those that companies make for individuals, distributors, or companies that don't want to or can't make their own products. There are many advantages to private labeled products for both parties. A principal advantage which immediately comes to mind is that the sellers can focus their entire attention on selling, thus enabling the product to be marketed at a far more economical price than would otherwise be the case. This is also referred to as outsourcing.

Making your own product is very expensive because it requires machinery, materials, rental space, employees, and many other variables that are unseen and cause tremendous overhead. Companies such as Nike and Reebok are examples of companies that are marketing organizations and choose to avoid the manufacturing process. The company making the product also benefits since it needs not to spend time and energy that goes along with selling and distributing a product. The manufacturer and the distributor each specializes in their own area in their own specialized area. In Taiwan the various brands of saxophones are all coming from the same region.

WHY YOU SHOULD BUY MY SAXOPHONES

The saxophones I am offering are easily on a par, if not superior to ANY produced by Selmer, Yanagasawa, or Yamaha, but without an exorbitant price tag. I have eliminated distributors and dealers, enabling me to offer a very high quality instrument at rock bottom prices. A saxophone of this quality, at this price, has, until now, been unheard of. AND GET THIS! You will also get one of my custom necks AND one of my professional hand-made hard rubber mouthpieces in your choice of any facing you want worth over FIVE-HUNDRED BUCKS! Now, you no longer have to buy a student model saxophone, get a Phil Barone saxophone and go pro!

WHY YOU SHOULD BE CAREFUL IN THE MARKET

As I mentioned earlier, products that are made by companies new to a specific area take time to evolve and able to produce a high quality product. The learning curve is long and lasts many years. This is why I have decided to sell these saxophones. Currently, China appears to be very early on the learning curve. In order to verify my judgment, I purchased one in order to verify its playing properties. I was very disappointed by both the quality of the workmanship and extremely poor playability. In addition, the scale was uneven and played out of tune. However, the sax cost only $200.00 and I stood to make MUCH more profit on each sale had I decided to source my instruments from China. Needless to say, I was unable to compromise my integrity and reputation for the sake of mere profit. I've have observed my competitors selling saxophones from China but priced comparable to those coming from Taiwan. So, BEWARE, many of the saxophones on the market today originate from China, not Taiwan. Be aware of the fact that there is a huge difference between a Chinese saxophone and one from Taiwan.
 

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Some useful info there, except for the part about Chinese horns not being good. Some are very good, every bit as good, if not better than, a typical Taiwanese horn (e.g. P.Mauriat). I have done quite a lot of comparing. I don't doubt what he is saying, but obviously has not tried the really good Chinese saxophones.

In order to verify my judgment, I purchased one in order to verify its playing properties.
It's very easy to try just one dodgy horn and then label everything from that country as bad, which appears to be the case here.
 

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Topsax and Buffet 400 horns are made in China and are pretty good.
 

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From what I understand, Topsax assembles the horns, but the parts are made in Taiwan. They also make the Buffet 400 horns in the same manner.
 

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This is not a personal disparagement, despite what I'm going to write. I've always felt that what you say about yourself, particularly when you have a vested interest in the debate is not too important. I do not know Phil, or what horns he sells. for all I know, he's an upright guy, and his horns are of good quality.

Of more consequence, what others say about you, both in public and in private speaks volumes. I've found this true, no matter the context, or business that a person is in. I have an aquaintance in the vintage Porsche club who is widely well-regarded, however in person he is self-effacing and even somewhat ditzy. Certainly, I'm not an expert in the Sax business. There are about 10 people here that I value in terms of their contribution, although I'm certain that there are more around, I just haven't met up with them yet.

So, when I hear other's talk about Dumar's engraving, or Jody's MPC, I feel like I've got a good handle on what I'm going to get when I do business with them. The fact that Phil is in business to sell saxes, and he also advises on sax purchases, makes me somewhat hesitant to invest. If one of my 10 advisors were to tell me that 'xxx sax from Taiwan/China is as good as a 1952 Martin' I would listen to them. Now, I know that's not going to happen because the market is the most efficient bellweather of what value is represented by the marque. Unfortunately, the offshore manufacturers are reaping the ill winds that they've sown with very poor quality horns that sour young player every year about August or September when school starts.

There is also a perception problem with the offshore horns that they've brought on themselves. It's clear that this is a bias that is difficult to overcome. Some can remember when products from Japan were disparraged, the term 'jap crap' became a watch word. One man, Ed Deming changed all that for Japan, and they now realize the value of product perfection, and quality materials and workmanship. IMHO, Taiwan/China are not there yet. Moreso China than Taiwan, but there are still issues with both.

I guess, a bit more than 2 cents worth, sorry.
 

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I think that Mr. Barone's write-up is well written, but I don't find that it contains any real information. It attempts to convince others of things without really saying anything.

With the introduction...we're all aware that technology and craftsmanship takes time to develop. Not only is it common sense, but it's something that has been talked about many times on this forum. Foreign horns are getting better, and a few in particular have been nothing short of astonishing.

We are also all aware that the quality still varies considerably among the asian manufacturers. This is nothing new. Mr. Barone won't have been the first to seek out the best of what is produced over there. He develops an argument that in his experience, his manufacturer is consistent in their production, and this is likely so. However, I can also tell personal examples of cases in other industries where it seems like the product may be consistent, but the buyer is in fact getting famboozled and the only horns that are sent to that buyer are the absolute cream of the crop, with everything else being produced in some trash heap.

We know the advantages of kicking out the middle man. This is nothing new in the arguments of those trying to pedal asian-made productions. However, no one seems to mention the advantage of having a middle man. If I can walk into the music store in town and buy a horn, that store will stand buy it. In this case, I only have the word of someone who I can't meet (or it would be difficult to meet) face to face. I'm not saying that this outweighs the advantages of being w/o middle-man, but it should be remembered.

I'm not saying that Mr. Barone's saxophones aren't good. They very well may be absolutely excellent. I'm just trying to illustrate that I'm not swayed by this write-up. It doesn't give any real information, it's just a typical, unoriginal, sales pitch. In a purchase in which the buyer has a certain amount of risk (buying a horn that doesn't have an already concrete reputation behind it), the only thing I could see really swaying me would be if it were to receive commendations from members of this forum, well-known players, etc.
 

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rs - my comments are in the context of other importers of Taiwanese instruments who hide, refuse to discuss or even fabricate fake sources of origin to dodge admitting that their products are outsourced to Taiwan or China. Sure Phil's comments are a bit self-promoting, it's an ad after all, but in contrast to certain other merchants' himming and hawwing around, I found what Phil had to say refreshing.

It certainly would put Grumps' mind at ease, and that's got to be worth at least something. :twisted:
 

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I have an aquaintance in the vintage Porsche club who is widely well-regarded
Doc,

I am well retarded too so don't go knocking me :) VERY well retarded. You wrote a very good post but I don't understand the point. It's true that they were pretty bad until recently but I thought that blew over, no? Granted, they were pretty bad until recently but they smoke now or I would never be selling them, never. In fact, if I liked them but my customers didn't I wouldn't be selling them either. After all, maybe I'm not the best person to judge them.

But to elaborate, they are not "my" horns, they are anyone's brand and made by the same factory that makes several well known brands which are selling for more than twice as much as I sell them. The factory I buy from has been making them for over sixty years. There's all kinds of variables but I was skeptical too until I tried them and they blew my Mark VI away. Absolutely blew it away and if you play a vintage sax that's worth all kinds of money then these are worth buying just so you can bring it on the money making gigs and save your vintage horn for special occasions. However, it is my opinion that these horns play as well as anything.

I never was really was into Martins and I'm not really familiar with them I guess because everyone that has ever came to me had a Selmer and sometimes a Conn so you may have very different taste but when you're up to it I'll send you one and if you don't like it just send it back. That stands for everyone reading this. Phil
 

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Well, I wasn't going to bring it up in polite company, but since you mentioned it.... In another thread on this forum, I looked closely at a picture of one of the new horns. Engraved on on the bell, in large scritp is: "Phil Barone NY". Which is a clear impression of the horn being produced in NY, when in fact it is not. This is one of those disingenious little things that has me saying 'no thanks'.
 

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I'll send you one and if you don't like it just send it back. That stands for everyone reading this. Phil
Phil, I think that there are many people who would be willing to try your horns and submit reviews of them. I know I would be more than happy to, provided I didn't have any financial responsibility for the horn, shipping, etc. What sort of caveats would you require prior to sending out a horn for testing? (many, like myself, wouldn't be in the market for an immediate purchase, it'd have to be more of a reviewing thing).

There are a lot of respected players here, why not send them messages and see if they'd be willing to review your horn?

It does seem probable that these are good horns. Al's review was pretty good on this thread, but not all that in depth: http://forum.saxontheweb.net/showthread.php?t=71606. I'd love to see more reviews.
 

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Hi Phil, I was writing as you were, so didn't see your reply until I had posted. My discussion is more about self-promotion than the value of the product. I'm certain that you feel and hear that your private labeled product is superior. However, I'd like a bit of truly independent study and evaluation before I'll bite.

Also, I can't find pictures, prices, or much of any public information on the horns, which also makes me a bit leary. Not on your website, nor in the public domain. In fact, I'm in the market for a Sop for my son, and finding one that is worth keeping is becoming a challenge. Of course, paying + $1000 is an option, but like anyone else, it wouldn't hurt if I could find something very good for reasonable cost.

This reminds me of the last pair of channel-lock pliers I bought. It said 'Chicago pnuematic US' right in bold type on the handle. When I got in out of the blister pack, and opened the jaws, I was chastened to find the 'made in china' script hidden on the locking arm, out of view. Not the kind of company I want to do business with anymore.
 

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Well, I wasn't going to bring it up in polite company, but since you mentioned it.... In another thread on this forum, I looked closely at a picture of one of the new horns. Engraved on on the bell, in large scritp is: "Phil Barone NY". Which is a clear impression of the horn being produced in NY, when in fact it is not. This is one of those disingenious little things that has me saying 'no thanks'.
Jeez, he told you where they are made. He lives in New York. Why are you nitpicking the guy to death? What are you trying to say without saying it?

Those chinese pliers had a little label on them saying made in china somewhere. You could have returned them but instead you are still griping.

Phils Soprano is probably very very nice - based on the unbranded sop I have from him. If it is close, it is worth buying, if he will sell to you. But why not go pay more for a lesser horn. I hear our sponsor to the right has an excellent French product. Just ask them about their instrument.
 

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Phil is from New York. He puts his well regarded name on these horns. You know it's the Phil Barone from NY, not some possible Phil Barone who lives in Creekwood Idaho and makes saxophones from his old baked bean tin cans.

At least he's honest about the production facilities, unlike P. Mauriat who seem to give their very best to make an impression of "excuisite Paris mâde" in all their advertisement. Phil knows where he's getting the horn and he's honest about it. We all know where they come from, and Phil is absolutely down-to-earth. Nothing wrong with the last few honest people in today's society. No need to bash them.
I am happy I did business with him. He's a great guy.
 

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Yeah, I don't understand the quibbling either. Phil is very open about where they are manufactured and by whom. By the same token, Phil Barone products have been on the market for many years and he is located in New York.

Frankly, I took a good look at the photos myself and I thought the way the logo was presented was entirely in line. I believe, as well, that Cannonball are made in Taiwan and yet the Cannonball company, established in Utah, has Salt Lake City on it's bell. IMO perfectly above board. By contrast, is the P. Mauriat company located in Paris and is it a long-standing French (like Selmer) company?

I also haven't noticed Phil espousing his product as superior as much as emphasising that you can get a sax at least as good as the best Taiwanese saxes under other names for half the cost, which seems to be his biggest pitch. Having said that, the inclusion of one of his mpcs and particularly one of his necks, IMO puts this product above many other similar ones.

Regarding not being able to find pictures, prices, or much of any public information on the horns or reviews, it's all here if one wants to bother. Even with sound examples. They're there for the reading and listening. Admittedly, this seems at the moment to be an in-house phenominon and not everybody knows who to trust, irf they haven't been around here a while or if they're just not that observant; not a lot to go on i know, but if one has read the forum for any length of time and has, for example, drawn a conclusion about Al Stevens' credibility and then read what he has to say, then that should be a pretty decent idea of the saxes. If I'm not mistaken Joe got one and posted him impressions also.
 

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The Guardala New York Model was made in Germany, L.A. Sax horns are made in Asia, Cannonball horns are marked Salt Lake City but the bulk of the horn is manufactured in Taiwan........

Update:

I see Gary and I had the same thoughts at the same time. ;)
 

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Clearly, we have some customers thinking that this is personal, when nothing could be further from the truth. I don't know Phil personally, and have no axe to grind either way. Let's talk just about the product shall we? The horns are labelled in large visible script "Phil Barone, NY". Now, when and where I come from, this is called the Trademark. Frankly, I don't care who, or where Phil is from, I only care about where the product is from.

On another point, the next buyer, or the general public buyer of the horn may well be confused by seeing the script in the position of honor on the bell, while having the actual country of manufacture somewhere else, much more obscure.

He is not the only manufacturer of product that has done this as I pointed out earlier. It troubles me not only in Saxes but in tools, cars, and any product where the origin of mfg is somehow obscured. That's because a sax that putatively would be producted in NY, would be held to a higher mfg standard than one from Taiwan/China. Such is the nature of workmanship and materials.

I can buy a vintage horn from Selmer, Conn, Martin, Buscher, or Keilwerth and know without question that it is made where it says on the horn. Where things in this business started to go down hill is when Conn began building horns in Mexico, which again - had the imprimature of Elkhart IN due to name association and history. Could horns produced in Mexico have been built as good as US made ones? Yes, it would have been possible with the correct amount of training, oversight, QA, materials standards, etc. Were they as good? - No.

Phil sounds like an upfront, honest businessman, and I'd like to see him do well in the sax biz. In fact, I'd like to see him qualify, and sell hundreds of horns to school districts, and resellers around the country. But to do that, you have to get past the diversions that make young uneducated buyers hateful of the horn they've just paid $350 for from the local mom and pop that won't stay in tune or can't be repaired.

Yamaha and Yani have overcome the bias that began in the '60s. It can be done, but there is no nationalistic policy in China or even in Taiwan that there is in Japan. This results in a product that must be evaluated on a piece-wise basis. The horn that Phil gets to demo is gonna be the best, most accurate, and carefully constructed one the shop can ever produce. Now, grab one at random off the line and compare it to the demo horn. if you do that with a Yamaha 875, it's gonna be a wash, same - same. if you do that with one of the Taiwan/China horns, are you gonna find the same thing?

We're seeing the effects of this right now with the massive recall of Chinese toys with lead paint. I've personally seen it with tools, sporting goods, home decor, etc. I just bought a set of faucets that were made in China, and one of them leaks, and can't be fixed due to a materials defect.

I'm glad to hear that Phil will stand behind his product completely, this is on the right track for developing more market penetration.

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I think that Mr. Barone's write-up is well written, but I don't find that it contains any real information. It attempts to convince others of things without really saying anything.

With the introduction...we're all aware that technology and craftsmanship takes time to develop. Not only is it common sense, but it's something that has been talked about many times on this forum. Foreign horns are getting better, and a few in particular have been nothing short of astonishing.

We are also all aware that the quality still varies considerably among the asian manufacturers. This is nothing new. Mr. Barone won't have been the first to seek out the best of what is produced over there. He develops an argument that in his experience, his manufacturer is consistent in their production, and this is likely so. However, I can also tell personal examples of cases in other industries where it seems like the product may be consistent, but the buyer is in fact getting famboozled and the only horns that are sent to that buyer are the absolute cream of the crop, with everything else being produced in some trash heap.

We know the advantages of kicking out the middle man. This is nothing new in the arguments of those trying to pedal asian-made productions. However, no one seems to mention the advantage of having a middle man. If I can walk into the music store in town and buy a horn, that store will stand buy it. In this case, I only have the word of someone who I can't meet (or it would be difficult to meet) face to face. I'm not saying that this outweighs the advantages of being w/o middle-man, but it should be remembered.

I'm not saying that Mr. Barone's saxophones aren't good. They very well may be absolutely excellent. I'm just trying to illustrate that I'm not swayed by this write-up. It doesn't give any real information, it's just a typical, unoriginal, sales pitch. In a purchase in which the buyer has a certain amount of risk (buying a horn that doesn't have an already concrete reputation behind it), the only thing I could see really swaying me would be if it were to receive commendations from members of this forum, well-known players, etc.
Is it me or is it just that some people like to rain on our parade? I sell the exact same horn for $1000 less, include one of my necks and one of my mouthpieces but yet there's negativity. I'll never get it.

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I think that Mr. Barone's write-up is well written, but I don't find that it contains any real information. It attempts to convince others of things without really saying anything..
No offense rs but several people have contacted me to thank me for that information because they don't really understand the business behind the horns from Taiwan. Maybe you do but there are a lot of people that don't. That's why Gary posted it, because it was honest, straight-forward, and informative. AND, it saves everyone about $1,500 at the same time. What have I attempted to convince people of? I just wrote the facts.

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With the introduction...we're all aware that technology and craftsmanship takes time to develop. Not only is it common sense, but it's something that has been talked about many times on this forum. Foreign horns are getting better, and a few in particular have been nothing short of astonishing.
You think it's common sense? I don't, people don't understand that the two things meld together in time. I don't think most of the guys on here know that it took 150 years for the manufacturers to finally figure out the best size and placement for the tone-hole intonation but I wasn't the one to put it here, Gary did. So a guy who I've never met and who I don't even know thought it was good enough to put up.

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We are also all aware that the quality still varies considerably among the asian manufacturers. This is nothing new. Mr. Barone won't have been the first to seek out the best of what is produced over there. He develops an argument that in his experience, his manufacturer is consistent in their production, and this is likely so. However, I can also tell personal examples of cases in other industries where it seems like the product may be consistent, but the buyer is in fact getting famboozled and the only horns that are sent to that buyer are the absolute cream of the crop, with everything else being produced in some trash heap.
We also know that the quality varies? Everyone on here knows? Consider that I didn't post it on SOTW, I posted it on an eBay auction. So all the people, moms and dads buying a sax for their kid knew about repeatability? Shoot, I studied engineering and I didn't even understand it until a few years ago. Who's being famboozled?

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We know the advantages of kicking out the middle man. This is nothing new in the arguments of those trying to pedal asian-made productions. However, no one seems to mention the advantage of having a middle man. If I can walk into the music store in town and buy a horn, that store will stand buy it. In this case, I only have the word of someone who I can't meet (or it would be difficult to meet) face to face. I'm not saying that this outweighs the advantages of being w/o middle-man, but it should be remembered.
Maybe people know about kicking out the middle man but nobody has brought it to light until I did. And in this case buying directly from me saves you TONS of money, TONS, and if you don't like the sax, send it back. On average, I save my customers a grand for the same horn. Not too shabby.

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I'm not saying that Mr. Barone's saxophones aren't good. They very well may be absolutely excellent. I'm just trying to illustrate that I'm not swayed by this write-up. It doesn't give any real information, it's just a typical, unoriginal, sales pitch. In a purchase in which the buyer has a certain amount of risk (buying a horn that doesn't have an already concrete reputation behind it), the only thing I could see really swaying me would be if it were to receive commendations from members of this forum, well-known players, etc.
The saxophones are great, if you're not swayed that's okay but I have to write something and anyone that knows me just a little knows I don't sell anything sub-standard. There's no risk, you can have your money back and there's been several write ups on here so search them and you'll see.

Uh, I can't believe I fed into this. Talk about a troll. Phil
 

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Clearly, we have some customers thinking that this is personal, when nothing could be further from the truth. I don't know Phil personally, and have no axe to grind either way. Let's talk just about the product shall we? The horns are labelled in large visible script "Phil Barone, NY". Now, when and where I come from, this is called the Trademark. Frankly, I don't care who, or where Phil is from, I only care about where the product is from.

On another point, the next buyer, or the general public buyer of the horn may well be confused by seeing the script in the posiiton of honor on the bell, while having the actual country of manufacture somewhere else, much more obscure.

He is not the only manufacturere or product that has done this as I pointed out earlier. It troubles me not only in Saxes but in tools, cars, and any product where the origin of mfg is somehow obscured. That's because a sax that putatively would be producted in NY, would be held to a higher mfg standard than one from Taiwan/China. Such is the nature of workmanship and materials.

I can buy a vintage horn from Selmer, Conn, Martin, Buscher, or Keilwerth and know without question that it is made where it says on the horn. Where things in this business started to go down hill is when Conn began building horns in Mexico, which again - had the imprimature of Elkhart IN due to name association and history. Could horns produced in Mexico have been built as good as US made ones? Yes, it would have been possible with the correct amount of training, oversight, QA, materials standards, etc. Were they as good? - No.

Phil sounds like an upfront, honest businessman, and I'd like to see him do well in the sax biz. In fact, I'd like to see him qualify, and sell hundreds of horns to school districts, and resellers around the country. But to do that, you have to get past the diversions that make young uneducated buyers hateful of the horn they've just paid $350 for from the local mom and pop that won't stay in tune or can't be repaired.

Yamaha and Yani have overcome the bias that began in te '60s. It can be done, but there is no nationalistic policy in Chinal or even in Tailwan that there is in Japan. This results in a product that must be evaluated on a piece-wise basis. The horn that Phil gets to demo is gonna be the best, most accurate, and carefully constructed one the shop can ever produce. Now, grab one at random off the line and compare it to the deom horn. if you do that with a Yamaha 875, it's gonna be a wash, same - same. if you do that with one of the Taiwan/China horns, are you gonna find the same thing?

We're seeing the effects of this right now with the massive recall of Chinese toys with lead paint. I've personally seen it with tools, sporting goods, home decor, etc. I just bought a set of faucets that were made in China, and one of them leaks, and can't be fixed due to a materals defect.

I'm glad to hear that Phil will stand behind his product completely, this is on the right track for developing more market penetration.
 
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