[SaxTMan]

Hi,

Simple (or not!) question... are mauriats pro models already on same level as modern selmer's tenors?


Shoot some thoughts!

:mrgreen:

 

[jazzcat58]

Hi,

Simple (or not!) question... are mauriats pro models already on same level as modern selmer's tenors?

Shoot some thoughts!

:mrgreen:

yes they are!..the build quality is up there!..and the sound too,i have played mauriats and the ones i tried were excellent,impressive.
Its down to preference one player feels, thats the horn for them, i felt the rul 66 compared very well to a ref,54, not much in that comparison to me!..and quite a bit cheaper too..

 

[Pete Thomas]

Haha, how many subjective opinions do you want? I love some modern Selmers, I recently played a killing Dragonbird (EDIT: ah that was an alto though). When I was comparing at Frankfurt Musikmesse it was hard to tell as the Selmers were so badly set up. On average though, taking that kind of thing into account, I would put my money on mauriats, especially the 66R and 86R plus a magnum neck.

If I had to choose, and they cost the same, I would choose a Mauriat.

 

[jonnieboy]

Haha, how many subjective opinions do you want? I love some modern Selmers, I recently played a killing Dragonbird (EDIT: ah that was an alto though). When I was comparing at Frankfurt Musikmesse it was hard to tell as the Selmers were so badly set up. On average though, taking that kind of thing into account, I would put my money on mauriats, especially the 66R and 86R plus a magnum neck.

If I had to choose, and they cost the same, I would choose a Mauriat.

Do you mean magnum neck for each of the 66 and 86r?

 

[Pete Thomas]

Do you mean magnum neck for each of the 66 and 86r?

I can't exactly remember, definitely on the 66R and I did try a different neck on the 86R, I believe it was a magnum but won't swear.

 

[SaxTMan]

I've liked your post a lot, they were very objective (of course the thread is a little subjective). My intention here is more a "Should I 'loose' my time trying out the mauriates" than "Should i buy a mauriat? or is mauriat a good horn for me?" or that kind of threads that we are always seeing here on sotw.

I'm going in a few time in a 'searching a tenor trip', and i don't want (i prefer loose the time studying) and can't loose much time seeing all the brands in the market . So i'm thinking in choose 3/4 brands and some models of each, until find a winner. For now i'm on Selmer's (Ref's); Yamaha (Z/custom) and Mauriates (66, 76 and maybe 86)....

I'm sorry if many of you have lost your time with my thread, but i think it as some juice in. I will be listening more opinions.

Cheers

 

[dexdex]

Never played a 20 year old Mauriat so far...

 

[buddy lee]

Never played a 20 year old Mauriat so far...

He said MODERN Selmers (Ref series).

 

[Frankm6]

I'm a knuckle headed, amateur, late bloomer, so take what I say with a grain of salt. I own and play both a 66 and a mark vi- Is it worth your time trying a Mauriat? Absolutely. I don't see how you wouldn't. What you buy- Completely up to your preference- But anybody that tells you not to even try a Mauriat is simply not being open minded. Like it or not they are part of mix.

 

[dexdex]

He said MODERN Selmers (Ref series).

I think I had understood. The Refs and S-III have been aging for a while today, and many SA-IIs out there have been on the road for 2 decades. You can see how they stand in real life. Same for many Yams & Yanis. Mauriat ?

 

[SaxTMan]

I'm a knuckle headed, amateur, late bloomer, so take what I say with a grain of salt. I own and play both a 66 and a mark vi- Is it worth your time trying a Mauriat? Absolutely. I don't see how you wouldn't. What you buy- Completely up to your preference- But anybody that tells you not to even try a Mauriat is simply not being open minded. Like it or not they are part of mix.

You like more your mauriat than the mk vi?
Anyway, i still don't think they are up to the vintage horns, but to kick up some modern ones i can believe...

 

[SaxTMan]

I think I had understood. The Refs and S-III have been aging for a while today, and many SA-IIs out there have been on the road for 2 decades. You can see how they stand in real life. Same for many Yams & Yanis. Mauriat ?

i don't think that i've totally understood your point... can you explain better? the reference have not 20 years... can you trust on them? it's not the point...

update:

With 'played a 20 year old' you mean play a horn that as been played for 20 years or that has been made 20 years ago?

 

[Grumps]

It's really an unfair question. Selmer has been making saxophones for nearly a century and set the benchmark standard with their Mark VI line over fifty years ago. Even their current lines continue to be compared to by other brands as the standard for professional model saxophones and hold a prominent position in today's market. Mauriat has not yet established itself among the vast majority of players as other brands such as Yamaha and Yanagisawa have done over the last twenty years. So are Mauriats on the same level as Selmer? No. Not by a long shot. Could they ever be? Anything's possible. Individuals might prefer a Mauriat over a Selmer, but this by no means puts Mauriat on the same overall level given more general and easily recognized parameters.

 

[Phil1]

Yeah like Hyundais and BMWs.

 

[SaxTMan]

It's really an unfair question. Selmer has been making saxophones for nearly a century and set the benchmark standard with their Mark VI line over fifty years ago. Even their current lines continue to be compared to by other brands as the standard for professional model saxophones and hold a prominent position in today's market. Mauriat has not yet established itself among the vast majority of players as other brands such as Yamaha and Yanagisawa have done over the last twenty years. So are Mauriats on the same level as Selmer? No. Not by a long shot. Could they ever be? Anything's possible. Individuals might prefer a Mauriat over a Selmer, but this by no means puts Mauriat on the same overall level given more general and easily recognized parameters.

BUT.... even the new Selmer models are compared to the mark vi and sba horns.... so, maybe the 'Selmer' brand is not like hyundais and bmw after all... maybe it's possible to make comparison even if it is a recent new brand. It the quality is already high between Modern Selmer and (Modern) Mauriat's, does history means that much?

 

[Dr G]

Seems like some people will argue ad nauseum until they get the answer they want...

 

[Grumps]

BUT.... even the new Selmer models are compared to the mark vi and sba horns.... so, maybe the 'Selmer' brand is not like hyundais and bmw after all...

Don't mix puffery in ad copy with logic. It's the motivation for the puffery by other brands that's relevant.

It the quality is already high between Modern Selmer and (Modern) Mauriat's, does history means that much?

Quality is highly subjective, as would be tone and performance. There are more objective means to answer your question. The better question might be will you recognize them.

 

[SaxTMan]

Seems like some people will argue ad nauseum until they get the answer they want...

i do not want any particular answer, it was a fair question.

 

[Stephen Howard]

Simple (or not!) question... are mauriats pro models already on same level as modern selmer's tenors?

Simple answer: yes.

To be frank, once you get past a certain price-point (let's say Yamaha 62) pretty much anything you can find is going to be up to the mark.
Build quality? Selmer used to be among the best, but the Japanese surpassed them some time ago and now it seems that Yanagisawa are setting the standard. The Taiwanese have been steadily improving over the last few years.
Quality control? Selmer's is definitely not what it used to be - Mauriat's has improved lately (and it needed to) - but horns from both companies still need a professional hand to set them up properly.
Longevity? I'm still fixing cheapo horns from the '70's, and if they can last the course so can anything else.
Quality of sound? Entirely up to you. Used to be that pro players would come into the workshop carrying either a Selmer, Yamaha, Yanagisawa or a vintage horn. These days it can be almost anything.

Regards,

 

[SaxTMan]

Simple answer: yes.

To be frank, once you get past a certain price-point (let's say Yamaha 62) pretty much anything you can find is going to be up to the mark.
Build quality? Selmer used to be among the best, but the Japanese surpassed them some time ago and now it seems that Yanagisawa are setting the standard. The Taiwanese have been steadily improving over the last few years.
Quality control? Selmer's is definitely not what it used to be - Mauriat's has improved lately (and it needed to) - but horns from both companies still need a professional hand to set them up properly.
Longevity? I'm still fixing cheapo horns from the '70's, and if they can last the course so can anything else.
Quality of sound? Entirely up to you. Used to be that pro players would come into the workshop carrying either a Selmer, Yamaha, Yanagisawa or a vintage horn. These days it can be almost anything.

Regards,

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