Marque Deposee MOGAR Nr130750
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Marquee deposee means "trademark"
Mogar is a name which appears to have come up occasionally on Italian saxophone forums:
http://www.saxforum.it/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=14037
http://www.saxforum.it/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=11194
Ho dimenticato tutti mi Italiano...but...
....from what I gather in reading a few posts...it appears that Mogar was a large musical instrument distributor in Italy.... and that they may have been Grassi stencils....or perhaps Orsi. A picture or four would help figure out which one....
Mogar is a name which appears to have come up occasionally on Italian saxophone forums:
http://www.saxforum.it/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=14037
http://www.saxforum.it/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=11194
Ho dimenticato tutti mi Italiano...but...
....from what I gather in reading a few posts...it appears that Mogar was a large musical instrument distributor in Italy.... and that they may have been Grassi stencils....or perhaps Orsi. A picture or four would help figure out which one....
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The forum in question speaks only in vague and general terms of the Mogar saxophones as to be sold by a company which was importing Selmer and distributing Grassi. They are still active and could have some information.
http://www.mogarmusic.it/index.php?appl=alysee_it&option=pagina_prodotti&l=3&m=56&c=33
Unlike Rampone (both A.Rampone and Rampone e Cazzani) and Orsi, Grassi ( and also Borgani) was not very much into the production of stencils this also due to the fact that Grassi was the last of these company to come to the marketplace, in the '60.
Anyway, any identification assessment can only be made by analysing pictures and we'll better hold off speculating until there is any to see.
http://www.mogarmusic.it/index.php?appl=alysee_it&option=pagina_prodotti&l=3&m=56&c=33
Unlike Rampone (both A.Rampone and Rampone e Cazzani) and Orsi, Grassi ( and also Borgani) was not very much into the production of stencils this also due to the fact that Grassi was the last of these company to come to the marketplace, in the '60.
Anyway, any identification assessment can only be made by analysing pictures and we'll better hold off speculating until there is any to see.
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Thanks for the pics...it's pretty.
My first thought was it looks German in its detailing. One thing to note here, this is a student horn in its keywork.
If you look at the upper stack, there's no bis key, and if you look at the body tube between the upper and lower stacks....there's a tonehole absent. Lastly, there is no F# trill key above the Right Hand spatula keys.
I have seen these sorta horns before...oddly...they all seemed to have an Italian provenance. I have one which is clearly of Italian manufacture. Perhaps it was a common setup for students in Italy ?
It is perfectly playable, it just means that there are some alternate, typical fingerings which are unavailable to the player which would usually be available and usually used, on a standard saxophone.
Because of this, these tend to have a low market value. Around $200usd in good playing condition is all they tend to sell for.
Too bad there is no photo of the other side of the horn....that would help determine where it was made...
My first thought was it looks German in its detailing. One thing to note here, this is a student horn in its keywork.
If you look at the upper stack, there's no bis key, and if you look at the body tube between the upper and lower stacks....there's a tonehole absent. Lastly, there is no F# trill key above the Right Hand spatula keys.
I have seen these sorta horns before...oddly...they all seemed to have an Italian provenance. I have one which is clearly of Italian manufacture. Perhaps it was a common setup for students in Italy ?
It is perfectly playable, it just means that there are some alternate, typical fingerings which are unavailable to the player which would usually be available and usually used, on a standard saxophone.
Because of this, these tend to have a low market value. Around $200usd in good playing condition is all they tend to sell for.
Too bad there is no photo of the other side of the horn....that would help determine where it was made...
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Some brands have a reduced amount of keys (doesn't have to be a bad thing.........Martin Baritones don't have a alternate F# and I have seen also a Dolnet like that).
As I said today about a Grassi saxophone. In Italy there was a specific category of instruments sold to marching bands with a reduced amount of keys called " Ministeriali" (of the Ministry........of defence (?) ) which was specifically sold to marching bands.
As I said today about a Grassi saxophone. In Italy there was a specific category of instruments sold to marching bands with a reduced amount of keys called " Ministeriali" (of the Ministry........of defence (?) ) which was specifically sold to marching bands.
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That's VERY interesting. Maybe NOT a student sax, then, but one of those marching horns. As I said, this is the third one of these I have seen; and they were all from Italy at some point or another.
One was a Grassi...one is mine (it is engraved "G. Dell'Anno i Figli, Napoli", serial 22xx) and it has the same keywork as the Mogar pictured - so I take back my German attribution...... and then your Mogar.
Mine sounds damn good, actually. When I bought it I had the intent of altering the keywork to create a Bis key....but alas, when I got it I realized this would require actually 'adding' a tonehole to the body tube, as well as two new posts and a new key barrell and armature to the existing keycup. So, it stays as fabricated.
But now I know I have a Saxophone Ministeriali ! :shock::mrgreen:
One was a Grassi...one is mine (it is engraved "G. Dell'Anno i Figli, Napoli", serial 22xx) and it has the same keywork as the Mogar pictured - so I take back my German attribution...... and then your Mogar.
Mine sounds damn good, actually. When I bought it I had the intent of altering the keywork to create a Bis key....but alas, when I got it I realized this would require actually 'adding' a tonehole to the body tube, as well as two new posts and a new key barrell and armature to the existing keycup. So, it stays as fabricated.
But now I know I have a Saxophone Ministeriali ! :shock::mrgreen:
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well, Ministeriali is the plural, you have a " Ministeriale" model ! :bluewink:
Your Grassi 4 digits is a very early horn (in Grassi terms) just about 1961-2 (these first few serial numbers are, like the last ones, a bit hazy since in my chart there are gross approximations )-
I am not familiar with that particular shop in Naples ( I know Miletti, Cerutti, Quaglia, Loveri) but in Italy like in France, many shops used to have their instruments custom branded with their own names . Most of the shops were and still are located around the conservatory , San Pietro a Majella , in the via San Sebastiano.
The marching band market vas huge at one time in Italy and every small town had , at least , one. Quality would vary greatly and so was the quality of the instruments that were required for this mostly simple music rarely requiring any virtuoso performance if not the one of a soloist or two (if the band was fortunate enough to find one among the villagers).
Your Grassi 4 digits is a very early horn (in Grassi terms) just about 1961-2 (these first few serial numbers are, like the last ones, a bit hazy since in my chart there are gross approximations )-
I am not familiar with that particular shop in Naples ( I know Miletti, Cerutti, Quaglia, Loveri) but in Italy like in France, many shops used to have their instruments custom branded with their own names . Most of the shops were and still are located around the conservatory , San Pietro a Majella , in the via San Sebastiano.
The marching band market vas huge at one time in Italy and every small town had , at least , one. Quality would vary greatly and so was the quality of the instruments that were required for this mostly simple music rarely requiring any virtuoso performance if not the one of a soloist or two (if the band was fortunate enough to find one among the villagers).
I had that one pegged as a Kohlert.
Because it was you mean?
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And another (or the same) Mogar for sale at Catawiki
https://veiling.catawiki.nl/kavels/11209129-mogar-tenor-sax
yes, a very nice example of an Italian short range tenor1 - 20 of 23 Posts
