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Its not just them. There are many threads missing. I've done searches on terms that I know should have many hits and get only one. For example Buffet Expression horns in the for sale section. Only 1 comes up for me when I have listed others and seen many others. They just seem to be wiped out.
 

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The internal search function is currently next to useless. A Google search of SOTW is way more useful. Sigh

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The internal search function is currently next to useless. A Google search of SOTW is way more useful. Sigh

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This is not the same issue (I think) , though I'm glad you've mentioned that. Threads missing from the search may or may not be related to threads missing from the forum thread list. In this case we've lost something like 15 years of posts.

This may be because theDigital Point Sphinx Search needs an update. Sadly the Owners of the forum do not give us Admins the permissions we would need to fix these things.

I wish I knew what was going on.
 

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This is disturbing. Whether the threads are truly erased or simply lost to search engines, it validates concerns I raised when the Forum was first migrated to its new owners. I recognize that maintaining large social media sites can be challenging and costly. But as the single largest body of knowledge about saxophones in history, the Forum has significance beyond any present business model.

SOTW owes both the users who created it and posterity some guarantee of the archive's persistence in perpetuity. After all, Twitter allowed the Library of Congress to collect its entire archive from 2006-2017, and it didn't affect their bottom line one iota. I'd suggest that SOTW follow suit, and donate the entire Forum to a publicly managed archive before it disappears for good.
 

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SOTW owes both the users who created it and posterity some guarantee of the archive's persistence in perpetuity.
Sadly I can't see how that could ever happen. It would be nice, but I can't see how there is any legal basis, if you look at the terms ands conditions.
 

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True, but I'm talking about a cultural or archival debt, not a legal responsibility. SOTW owes its users for adding commercial value to the Forum, and it should repay that debt by guaranteeing the Forum's preservation and accessibility for future users.
 

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SOTW attracts thousands of users' eyeballs every day, which VerticalScope re-sells to advertisers like those at the top of this page. That's how the attention economy works.
 

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True, but I'm talking about a cultural or archival debt, not a legal responsibility. SOTW owes its users for adding commercial value to the Forum, and it should repay that debt by guaranteeing the Forum's preservation and accessibility for future users.
Ok, but SOTW is owned by a commercial entity, why would they care about a cultural or archival debt? They own the content.
 

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I've not seen any ads. Guess my ad blockers are working. Out of curiosity though, I looked through the privacy policy, and I suppose there is some activity data tied to personal/privacy information that may be of some perceived value to somebody somewhere. GDPR compliant it ain't, but I think it's not very likely that a breach of data being stored would cause much, if any, injury to data subjects.
 

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I suppose there is some activity data tied to personal/privacy information that may be of some perceived value to somebody somewhere.
Without question, bokagee, I'm sure that VerticalScope also datamines our individual usage patterns; most large commercial websites, apps, and gaming platforms do. VS owns a number of "lifestyle" forums, and doubtless has algorithms that can detect recreational web usage patterns that online retailers consider valuable.

Ok, but SOTW is owned by a commercial entity, why would they care about a cultural or archival debt? They own the content.
An excellent (and no doubt Socratic) question, Pete. The simplest answer is that it would not only protect their investment against further technical issues, but add caché and value to it. That SOTW would still be the main interface of an important musical archive would likely attract more musicians to the site.

More broadly (and perhaps more cynically), should the site start deteriorating (further), VS would lose users and value. Social media companies are starting to realize that they can't work at odds with the users and the culture that sustains them. Facebook recently lost over $100 billion in value because it wasn't respecting its users' expectations of privacy.

Musicians perhaps have different expectations: for instance, we're generally committed to cultural preservation. Mess with that, and you're going to lose us.
 

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The internal search function is currently next to useless. A Google search of SOTW is way more useful. Sigh

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Thank you Kenneth! For some reason, to look this way didn't occur to me. I was looking for a thread on Buescher true tones I had read a few years back and couldn't find it through the internal search. Tried it with a google search after reading this and did find it that way. Thanks again!
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You're welcome, Kristy!

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when using the resident search engine don’t use the box on the side but the one at the top center of this page where it says Google custom search.

It gives very different result!

https://www.saxontheweb.net
 

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Milandro, thanks for the heads-up, I wondered where that had gone!

IIRC, it used to be at the top of every forum page, so when I didn't see it anymore, I thought it'd been removed, hence the Google suggestion.

A suggestion: Instead of just being on https://www.saxontheweb.net, why not also include it on https://forum.saxontheweb.net? It would be most useful, especially for folks like me that never, ever go to https://www.saxontheweb.net :).

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Cheers Kenneth

In fact I don’t understand why not all the boxes are not replicating that one.

The majority of people whom complain about the search function do so becuse they use the one on the righthand side of any page (which performs poorly).

That one here https://www.saxontheweb.net in the middle is what has always returned me with the results that I use to point out where things are.
 

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Milandro, thanks for the heads-up, I wondered where that had gone!

IIRC, it used to be at the top of every forum page, so when I didn't see it anymore, I thought it'd been removed, hence the Google suggestion.

A suggestion: Instead of just being on https://www.saxontheweb.net, why not also include it on https://forum.saxontheweb.net? It would be most useful, especially for folks like me that never, ever go to https://www.saxontheweb.net :).
Or mend the actual forum search which (if it was working) would be more useful due to the advanced search filters.
 

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Milandro, thanks for the heads-up, I wondered where that had gone!

IIRC, it used to be at the top of every forum page, so when I didn't see it anymore, I thought it'd been removed, hence the Google suggestion.

A suggestion: Instead of just being on https://www.saxontheweb.net, why not also include it on https://forum.saxontheweb.net? It would be most useful, especially for folks like me that never, ever go to https://www.saxontheweb.net :).

Kenneth
The Google custom search box is still present on the regular forum pages ... if you disable AdBlocker (, uBlock etc.).
 
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