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Hello all,

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Been playing for about 15 years, professionally since 2008. Full time musician and private teacher.

Owning too many saxes to know what to do with. But looking for new gigging horn.

Currently own but rarely play: Conn 10m tenor, 6m lady alto, New Wonder II C-Melody, off brand (jean baptise) soprano and bari, Chinese black satin alto, and even sponsered by the company vibrato playing their polycarbonate alto III.

As of now I am gigging with a selmer aristocrat student model as my "bar horn". De-lacquered, heavy patina, self engraved, new key touches. Over the years It's been through the ringer. Horrible falls, temperature extremes, always gotten it fixed by a professional shop and back to great playing condition.

Current tenor mpc. Dukoff 7. Though extremely pleased with the metalite 9 I just got for bari. Ordered one for tenor wich should be here soon.

I am considering a new tenor as my everyday gigging horn. LA Sax Big Lip on the warrior finish. I love that gross patina matte look. But that's not the most important factor.

I have read great things about the LA Sax horns. Even though they are Taiwanese they seem good quality.

What do you guys think about moving from the seller aristocrat to the LA Sax big lip? Current price for big lip that I can find is 1600 to 1900. My budget is capped close to 2000.
 

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As a side note, I am going for a bright edgy tone.
 

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Why don't you use your Conns as your regular gigging horns ?
 

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I have used the Conn's for gigs and recording but don't like to take them to bars where they could be damaged or stolen. I've seen this happen too many times to my aristocrat. No matter how much you guard your Sax with your life something always seems to happen sooner or later.

To preserve the Conn's I hold them for studio time only or very special occasions.

Another reason is that the vintage horns feel like driving a vintage car. Sometimes slow, clunky, and without features (like high F# key) that I regularly use.

Also for the more modern music I play, it seem impractical to try to change the total character of these vintage horns.

So for a modern sounding, take to the bar gigs sax, what do you guys think?
 

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Thanks for the reply. I gig with my Conns all the time, but if you're not happy with doing that, that's fine.

I'd look for a secondhand Borgani. Dr G might be able to suggest where you'd find one.
 

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I would have thought the best bet for a reliable, bright, easily fixed sax with little to no sentimental value would be a YTS-23 (or similar low price Yamaha).
 

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If you've played the horn, like it, and know that's what you really want. One of these sold back in December on Reverb for $1065 lightly used so I'd be hard pressed to drop $2k on one just to play $50 bar gigs on it. If you are just looking for a gigging horn that you don't want to worry much about there are lots of choices in the $800 - $1500 range. There's a Cannoball and an RS Berkeley in the marketplace section here right now and a black lacquered Barone that just sold for $800.
 

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Played a bar gig with my Silversonic tenor and a big drunk guy starts harassing us to play Pink Floyd songs near the end of the night. The police had to come and talk to the guy and he calmed down. Regardless, I was really worried a fight would break out and I think I was more concerned about damaging the horn than even me taking a hit. I think it is a good idea to have a horn that you do not care as much about for bar gigs.
 

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Thanks for all the replies. This will be a horn that I will be playing at almost all gigs. The selmer aristocrat I am playing currently cost me 700 when I bought it used about 6-7 years ago. My big question is has anyone had experience with the LA Sax horns? Quality, tone, etc... are they worth the 1500-2000 they are priced at?

The selmer aristocrat has seen me through many hundreds of gigs. I was pleased with the tone for a while but feel like I'm constantly trying to chase that battle using countless mouthpiece/Reed/lig combos. Which I know I'm never going to win theoretically. And I know... practice, practice, practice. I feel as if I've taken this horn to its limitations.

I'd like to step up to a better horn to gig with for 2000$.

Bright, edgy, fast, powerful, durable...
 

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I can't speak to the alto's, but I have an LA sax soprano in black that plays surprisingly well.

As an additional note - as far as having a bar horn a Jupiter would be a really good option. They play really well - are bright - and the ergos are very good. Better yet it's easy to score one for less than $500 that's in excellent condition.

My alto doesn't get much play time since I'm primarily a sop/bari/bass player - but my Jupiter alto is the same model I had back in college (although a different horn because I was stupid and sold it) and It's been really great.
 

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I've tried Jupiter's and not overly enthusiastic about them. I'm really looking to get something that is an upgrade, yet not overly expensive. I don't have a problem with student models. I play one currently as my bar horn yet am still craving the next step. I like the sound of yani's, but cost is prohibitive. P mauriat is something I've always drooled over. Also have an opportunity to possibly get a Yamaha z in the next year or so if things pan out.
 

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I'm finally relevant! I play a big lip tenor (with the sexy black nickel warrior finish). I got mine for $1000 when they were clearing out for the big lip X series and I'm not sure if they're making any more of the original big lip series. They are very bright, but not edgy (unless you want them to be). I think it sounds great and outplays any horn that I've played under $4000. They are not perfect though. The set-up leaves some to be desired (not enough glue on cork/pads). The brace seems to be pulling back from the bell a little, there are imperfections inside the neck. . . But I've been playing it solidly for about 2 years and i get compliments on the sound and appearance frequently. Just be ready to do some quick fixing. I play a link 8* on it and i find many pieces to play too bright on the big lip. Good luck on your search!
 

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To be honest, I don't think the LA Sax will be a step up....more to the side (if not down). The build quality of these horns leaves a lot to be desired and for $2K, you can get a pretty decent used Yamaha YTS 61 or 62 if you're prepared to do some research and be patient. They're nice, reliable, ergonomically satisfying, bright, easily serviced/repaired horns that'd be perfect for your needs.
 
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