Distinguished SOTW Member, Forum Contributor 2007-
saxophone, flutes and lil' bit of clarinet
Not so. Saxpics is wrong on that one.According to saxpics:
I can say that the horns after 511xxx have "USA" engraved on the bell instead of "Eastlake, Ohio"
They changed "Eastlake" to "USA" gradually across the lineup. Most King brasswinds around 466000, and King saxes maybe between 540000 and 570000. It was later still with Cleveland saxes, and I'm sure there's exceptions where horns were completed later or bells were pre-engraved and not used in order (or a dishonest shop replaced the bell - I saw one just recently where someone put a Cleveland bell on an Eastlake).Not so. Saxpics is wrong on that one.
I have a 520xxx S20 tenor (75-'76) engraved Eastlake, Ohio
I will add that the tone hole chimneys are not drawn. It has thick, brazed tone hole chimneys throughout.
Someone on the S20 owners club on facebook mentioned that he thought brazed tone hole chimneys on S20s lasted to approximately the 530xxx range.
Nope.In the words of Pete Hales “.......I can say that the horns after 511xxx have "USA" engraved on the bell instead of "Eastlake, Ohio"
I ended up going another way, I picked up a super 20 466,xxx, a bit more but it is in much better mechanical shape. It will actually need some minor work as well, mainly key heights/adjustments but all of the pads are new on it. The other definitely needed repadding as well as major keywork.That price seems a bit high, especially considering it needs some work. But basically, that is a super 20 without the name and the engraving. I would try offering them 600 and explain all the work it needs.
Oh, that's great. good luck with it.I ended up going another way, I picked up a super 20 466,xxx, a bit more but it is in much better mechanical shape. It will actually need some minor work as well, mainly key heights/adjustments but all of the pads are new on it. The other definitely needed re-padding as well as major keywork.
We have two French sayings for this situation: "laisser la proie pour l'ombre" (leaving the prey for the shadow) and "un tien vaut mieux que deux tu l'auras" (what you have now should be preferred to the promise of twice in the future).As in many other parts of this thread I stated that I own a great 460xxx Super 20 with a silver neck. The horn has served me for years. I have always thought I was going to keep it forever but I am looking at the possibility to invest in an overhaul now and maybe buying another , overhauled horn would be a good idea
I was ALWAYS curious about the Super 20 USA TENORS (!!) having had a Super 20 USA alto which was a disappointing and having played a Silversonic USA alto also disappointing.
HOWEVER, I once went to test a Silversonic tenor USA overslung at a shop in the NL. I had my Eastlake 460xxx with me and aside from a little bit firmer action of the USA model, there was no difference to speak of.
Necks could be exchanged but the overslung neck would only operate in the low register (or pushing the first overtone) . Both horns had brazed (soldered on) toneholes. Other small differences (the shape of the left hand table) were minimal.
Now I am about to try (and possibly buy) a SUPER 20 ( looks very nice on the pictures) USA.
The rods and keys of my Super 20 are made of white metal nickel silver , the ones from the USA are brass color (which may be lacquer over nickel silver) and the neck is also brass color.
I don’t suppose the neck is lacquered over solid silver but I am not hang up on that. I have an any type of neck on my Super 20 including a Gloger and found minimal differences between over and underslung solid silver and brass and high density silver copy made by Gloger.
A positive thing MAY be (I can’t remember if the Silversonic had that) the presence of the high F#. I was never entirely happy of the F# sound by combination of keys and even less of the G.
I will report anyway on the findings and if I will end up buying it. I am not sure what to do with the Super 20 Eastlake, which remains one of the best saxophones that I’ve ever played.
Interesting, If I ever come across one of thee (never seen one over here) I’ll be very interested to see how it compares to my Eastlake.
The Super 20 USA 800,000 series that I’ve bought was disappointing but who knows... maybe this tenor ( should be pretty much the same) wouldn't be.
I'm not saying that King didn't made any King Super 20 Silversonic w brazed tonholes in 83-84. I believe you. But the information and sales promotion to shops (here in Sweden) from King Musical Instruments Inc, was brochures like this (King Super 20 aka 2414K and 2416K).
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