[ajhill287]

Hey everyone, I have been looking at an old King tenor that is supposedly a stencil or import of a kolhert model tenor, making it EARLY 1900s s/n 38xxx. Does anyone know much about these horns? Do they play well, are they worth much? ANY info would be great. Thanks!
Andrew

 

[ajhill287]

Yeah, thats what i thought....
Thanks anyway! Maybe I'll just get it and try it for myself, if they price is right.

 

[bruce bailey]

Start at Saxgourmet as they may have a link to something. I do remember something about H.N.White importing some horns early on. Now there are some other possibilities. Are you really sure it is that old? A photo would help. In the 1980s Danny Henkin owned King and stenciled some Conn horns DJH that were from Keiwerth. Keilwerth made a horn called "The New King" in the 50s and 60s. I really doubt that White used the King name that early on.

 

[ajhill287]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...MEWA:IT&viewitem=&item=160111924193&rd=1&rd=1

thats the one im looking at. They do not describe it very well so I have been trying to research it a lot. I did look at saxgourmet, and from the history of King and the model # charts i am thinking it is that old and might be a kohlert stencil.
Thanks for the pointers

 

[Wind_Mill]

That's just an early King c-mel. Where'd you get the idea it was a Kohlert-made horn?

 

[ajhill287]

because of the model number, i read stuff on king and they supposedly didn't make C's that early, but i am also way in over my head so you could very well be right.

 

[Wind_Mill]

GASP! Off-topic, but I was wandering around looking for the King sub-forum today and it dawned on me, KING DOESN'T HAVE ITS OWN SUB-FORUM? WHAT? THIS IS A SAX WEBSITE WITH SUB-FORUMS FOR ALL THE FAMOUS VINTAGE AND CURRENT PRO MAKERS? WHY IS SML UP THERE BY ITSELF AND YET KING OF ALL MAKERS IS STUFFED IN HERE WITH ALL THE "OTHER A-M" RIFFRAFF!?!

Pardon .... had to get that off my chest....

 

[Hurling Frootmig]

We will take a look at this oversight.

 

[ajhill287]

so is this one a C for sure?

 

[Wind_Mill]

Yep, it is. Looks to be in good condition too, for its age.

Though there's usually more than one giveaway whether a horn is a c-mel or tenor, you can always count on the location of the high-F tonehole. If it's snug against the bottom of the neck receiver socket, you've got a c-mel.

 

[ajhill287]

thanks for the tip, ive been having trouble telling the difference jsut from a few pics. guess ill let this one go, alredy got a C to play with. thanks everyone.

 

[Pinnman]

38xxx is well past the Kohlert connexion. Take a look at the saxpics site for further info.