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Well maybe it was the student model then.
So what are the differences in the EX and the SX?
As I recall there were physical differences in the two horns I played.
The lesser horn had different (bouncier) action and did not have the special G# key
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Haven't seen the EX series in a while, but I think the EX II series used to be made from German components, but assembled in another country (Czech Republic ? maybe, can't remember). The EX III series may be made in Asia now. They are not the same horn as the SX.
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I believe the only difference is that the SX and the EX is that the SX has adjustable palm keys and rolled tone holes. Maybe a tech can chime in with any other info.
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Only SX90 R has rolled toneholes, the SX doesn't, it has straight ones ( which I actually prefer because should they not be level you can always level them with extreme precision).
The EX series was an intermediate series which featured small differences to cut costs , in time they too, like the ST student series, were also first made by Amati with parts made by Keilwerth and then were completely made by Amati
The SX and SX R were the pro series,
ST was a student line with different keywork, according to their numerals, later, were assembled by Amati and then made by Amati and then also made by KHS-Jupiter ( and were Jupiter though and through).
The price reflected these facts, so be under no false impression, Keilwerth made them or had them made all different they were not " the same", even though they might have differed in visible and invisible details.
(like the way you pull toneholes, braze some of them or not or construct the bell).
This doesn't mean that the ST was a bad horn but it means that the EX and the SX were better made horns but different, exactly like a Yamaha 21 was not like a 61 although they looked pretty similar.
Differences between EX and SX are indeed in small details, mostly keywork, simpler and cheaper in the EX , but might have had constructional elements which were not immediately apparent, exactly like previous lines Toneking and New King differed in small details, although during their long run ( Toneking and New King) sometimes were effectively identical.
Different series of EX ( watch the ordinals) were produced or assembled by Keilwerth or Amati, here is where the ordinals (I, II, III) become important.
The more refined SX series was their premium line.
SX were made for other brands too.
The EX (watch the letters) was probably more similar to the Buffet Expression ( also made by Keilwerth) which had some differences with the SX although it did feature adjustable keyheight ( Buffet requested this probably to impress with a feature than looks better that what it really is or works).
Other than that, yes, it is very confusing but these posts by Saxpiece say it all
The EX series was an intermediate series which featured small differences to cut costs , in time they too, like the ST student series, were also first made by Amati with parts made by Keilwerth and then were completely made by Amati
The SX and SX R were the pro series,
ST was a student line with different keywork, according to their numerals, later, were assembled by Amati and then made by Amati and then also made by KHS-Jupiter ( and were Jupiter though and through).
The price reflected these facts, so be under no false impression, Keilwerth made them or had them made all different they were not " the same", even though they might have differed in visible and invisible details.
(like the way you pull toneholes, braze some of them or not or construct the bell).
This doesn't mean that the ST was a bad horn but it means that the EX and the SX were better made horns but different, exactly like a Yamaha 21 was not like a 61 although they looked pretty similar.
Differences between EX and SX are indeed in small details, mostly keywork, simpler and cheaper in the EX , but might have had constructional elements which were not immediately apparent, exactly like previous lines Toneking and New King differed in small details, although during their long run ( Toneking and New King) sometimes were effectively identical.
Different series of EX ( watch the ordinals) were produced or assembled by Keilwerth or Amati, here is where the ordinals (I, II, III) become important.
The more refined SX series was their premium line.
SX were made for other brands too.
The EX (watch the letters) was probably more similar to the Buffet Expression ( also made by Keilwerth) which had some differences with the SX although it did feature adjustable keyheight ( Buffet requested this probably to impress with a feature than looks better that what it really is or works).
Other than that, yes, it is very confusing but these posts by Saxpiece say it all
Keilwerth Factory Tour showing a EX-90 series II being made at approx movie time 12:07 at the now defunct Nauheim factory in Germany.
It also shows a saxophone low B key with a distinctive curved lever attachment at the Nauheim factory in Germany at approx movie time 11.06 - 11:16. The low B key with a distinctive curved lever attachment is a feature of the ST-90 series III which comes from around the same years as the EX-90 series II, thereby basically proving that the ST-90 series II and III and EX-90 series III parts were/are made by Keilwerth.
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You are confusing the SX90 and SX90R and EX series.
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Never played any ST except the bari, and it was a terrible horn. At least that example was.
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Don’t recognize this serial number or the type are you sure this is not a fake Keilwerth?
It is in fact a better idea to publish pictures as a link to an outside image hosting service ( Fickr, Image shack, photobucket) by publishing them there , copying the link to the picture and pasting the link where, in the go advanced section “ aller in mode avancé", there is a “ projection screen” icon.
Don’t chose the option to “ reference the images locally”.
It is in fact a better idea to publish pictures as a link to an outside image hosting service ( Fickr, Image shack, photobucket) by publishing them there , copying the link to the picture and pasting the link where, in the go advanced section “ aller in mode avancé", there is a “ projection screen” icon.
Don’t chose the option to “ reference the images locally”.
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really following my instructions to make the pictures visible here is not difficult.
If you would have done that one would avoid visiting an external site and see it directly. like this...
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I am not familiar with this model.
The neck appears to be silver color but is it solid silver?
Strange.
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If you would have done that one would avoid visiting an external site and see it directly. like this...
I am not familiar with this model.
The neck appears to be silver color but is it solid silver?
Strange.
Neck is from keilwerth sx 90r. Sax is equivalent keilwerth ex 90 but i still dont know in which factory was producet.really following my instructions to make the pictures visible here is not difficult.
If you would have done that one would avoid visiting an external site and see it directly. like this...
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I am not familiar with this model.
The neck appears to be silver color but is it solid silver?
Strange.
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well if this is equivalent to the EX 90 it is made in Germany (only the EX 90 III was made by Amati) in the Keilwerth factory.
So you have added this neck? It is not the original neck right? Was it lost?
when quoting a message containing pictures you can edit out the pictures so that they are nit repeated in your post, this prevents extremely large posts which might make your comment disappear
So you have added this neck? It is not the original neck right? Was it lost?
when quoting a message containing pictures you can edit out the pictures so that they are nit repeated in your post, this prevents extremely large posts which might make your comment disappear
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Manage to get one of ST90s made in Germany:
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Few differences I've identified:
1. different F# key (S2 has a pearl one)
2. ST[SUB]90[/SUB] is written in two lines
3. "Modell" is "Model" in German
4. made-of-wire horn-body bridge (same as S2)
6. neck is made of super thick metal
7. no "Made in Germany" stamp, probably because of after-DDR/FRG times
8. mine has 4 digit number starting with 59xx
9. plastic thumb rest, most of the S2s I've seen have the metal ones
Posting here because there are so many people selling S3 as S1, be careful!
Few differences I've identified:
1. different F# key (S2 has a pearl one)
2. ST[SUB]90[/SUB] is written in two lines
3. "Modell" is "Model" in German
4. made-of-wire horn-body bridge (same as S2)
6. neck is made of super thick metal
7. no "Made in Germany" stamp, probably because of after-DDR/FRG times
8. mine has 4 digit number starting with 59xx
9. plastic thumb rest, most of the S2s I've seen have the metal ones
Posting here because there are so many people selling S3 as S1, be careful!
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This one looks very much like "Edition" model which is pretty rare Taiwan-made student model (a bit above ST90 S3/4). If that's the case it should have "Edition" on the horn and the case, otherwise you can identify it by the serial number starting with "KE00xxx"really following my instructions to make the pictures visible here is not difficult.
If you would have done that one would avoid visiting an external site and see it directly. like this...
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I am not familiar with this model.
The neck appears to be silver color but is it solid silver?
Strange.
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Reposting my comments of over 10 years ago.
Somebody mentioned they thought the differences were minor Between the SX 90R and the other models.
Not all players are going to notice the differences.
If your lifetime quest isn’t having a huge sound then you may not notice the power of the top of the line Kielwerth and if you’re not into technical virtuosity you might not notice the superior ergonomics.
fyi I am speaking tenor here but I would think the alto would be the same?
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