Yes, exactly. A S80 is a S80 new or old it didn't change much. Scroll , long shank scroll are, generally speaking, unmarked Soloist (Theo Wanne calls them Soloist-Style ) which were normally sold with the Selmer Mark VI in the '70 before the SA 80 appeared. Shortly after the standard Selmer mouthpiece became the S 80 which is been left unchanged to this day.So scroll long/short shank C*s are vintage but S-80s are not, right? In other words, there aren't "vintage S-80s"?