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I think Difference Tone was just showing us how talented Tal Wilkenfeld is. Monster talent at a tender age. I saw that whole concert on tv. It was filmed at Ronnie Scott's in London. I love Jeff Beck but Tal stole the show. Look her up, she's an in demand bassist, even with the jazz community.
 

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OK, since we're opening this up a bit, to provide a little perspective on what great rock bass playing is all about, how about a clip of the best rock bass player of all time, John Entwistle (RIP), aka "The Ox" (btw I caught the St. Louis date of this "Quad" tour in '97--best rock concert ever for me, in addition to meeting John and speaking with him briefly prior to the show at a small showing of his drawings at a local gallery--remember the group's "Who by Numbers" album? Yes, John did the cover art):


Eat your heart out, Tal! :twisted:
 

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Saw this Jeff Beck video some time back. Yeah, Tal Wilkenfeld plays great, and looks even better! I also admit to being flabergasted the first time I saw John Entwistle on a live video. His fingers were a blur of non-stop motion - I had no idea that he was such a monster player, albeit not in the jazz mold.
 

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"Eat your heart out, Tal!" That all ya got? What perspective did you have in mind? That young woman, Tal Wilkenfeld is an extraordinary musician at the presumptive very beginning of her career, playing with by any measure one of the top five greatest guitarists in Rock history.

OK, since we're opening this up a bit, to provide a little perspective on what great rock bass playing is all about, how about a clip of the best rock bass player of all time, John Entwistle (RIP), aka "The Ox" (btw I caught the St. Louis date of this "Quad" tour in '97--best rock concert ever for me, in addition to meeting John and speaking with him briefly prior to the show at a small showing of his drawings at a local gallery--remember the group's "Who by Numbers" album? Yes, John did the cover art):


Eat your heart out, Tal! :twisted:
 

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Saw this Jeff Beck video some time back. Yeah, Tal Wilkenfeld plays great, and looks even better! I also admit to being flabergasted the first time I saw John Entwistle on a live video. His fingers were a blur of non-stop motion - I had no idea that he was such a monster player, albeit not in the jazz mold.
The video posted by the OP is not a jazz video either--and Jeff Beck is a rock guitarist, not jazz (hence, the perspective).

Methinks you must be pretty young if you just recently discovered the Ox. To give you another idea of his greatness, Entwistle was Jimmy Page's first choice for a bassist when he was putting together Led Zeppelin, and Page tried desperately to lure him away from the Who but he wouldn't go. The fact that he had to "settle" for John Paul Jones--definitely in the Top 10 on any list of all-time great rock bassists--says even more about how special John was.

But getting back to this Wilkenfeld, I think she's very good, but also part of that phenom in the music biz in which young female players are often promoted as being better than they actually are because of their youth (and good looks as another poster actually reinforced). We see this with the many young jazz-singing engenues that have been trotted out by labels pretty regularly ever since Diana Krall came into the spotlight.

An even more extreme case of this can be seen with the very young child singers with operatic voices and extensive training that are also trotted out every few years. There's a new one now that is being pushed whose name I can't recall and a few years before that it was that one from England. But with the latter we saw that as soon as these kids reach late adolescence or their early 20s, the novelty effect as prodigies wears off and their careers fizzle.

So is this Tal Wilkenfeld the real deal and not just a novelty? It seems like most of the stuff you see about her is from 4 or 5 years ago, when she was what?--19 or 20? You can even see what I'm talking about in Beck's expression when she solos--like "wow, I can't believe this kid can play like this." I guess "only time will tell" in terms of seeing if she has staying power as an adult.
 

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So is this Tal Wilkenfeld the real deal and not just a novelty? It seems like most of the stuff you see about her is from 4 or 5 years ago, when she was what?--19 or 20? You can even see what I'm talking about in Beck's expression when she solos--like "wow, I can't believe this kid can play like this." I guess "only time will tell" in terms of seeing if she has staying power as an adult.
Just because you go consistently go off with an absence of data or fact doesn't mean that your perspective reflects reality.

It's not about "time will tell" - she is in demand as a musician. How 'bout you?

From Tal's website: http://www.talwilkenfeld.com/

"Fulfilling the title of her critically-hailed debut disc, Tal Wilkenfeld's transformation has been continuing at a dizzying pace. Early 2009 saw Tal in New York City where she was featured as a special guest on "Late Night With Jimmy Fallon" sitting in with "The Roots". She then went on to tour extensively with Jeff Beck in Australia, Japan, America, Europe, Canada and the UK. During the UK run, David Gilmour sat in with the group during a special performance at the Royal Albert Hall. One of the highlights of the year included playing with Jeff at his induction into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in Cleveland, which featured Tal playing "Immigrant Song" with Led Zeppelin's Jimmy Page. Jeff Beck Recalls: "When I was inducted, we were going to have Jimmy Page come on and play '(Beck's) Bolero'. But I didn't think it would be right for him to be playing rhythm guitar all the way through that one number. Then the phone rang and it was Tal Wilkenfeld, my then bass player. She was on the way down in the elevator and told me we should play 'Immigrant Song.' We were going on in ten minutes and had no time to rehearse. She said 'Oh, when you stop in the middle of 'Bolero', when the rhythm changes, we'll kick in to 'Immigrant Song'. "That's what I like - right on the hoof. Nobody knew, the lighting and sound guys didn't know, the organizers didn't know. I just grabbed the microphone and shouted, "Jimmy Paaaage!" and went straight into the song. I loved that. That's what you call dangerous, that's living on your reflexes."

July also found Tal in the studio, playing bass on a track for Herbie Hancock's upcoming CD. In October Tal reunited with Jeff at Madison Square Garden for the historic Rock and Roll Hall Of Fame's 25th Anniversary two night concert. Beck's searing set included guests Buddy Guy, Sting and Billy Gibbons.

February began with the exhilarating word that Jeff Beck had won a Grammy for the much acclaimed CD/DVD "Jeff Beck: Performing This Week...Live At Ronnie Scott's." In addition, Tal was featured on 4 tracks on Jeff's new album, "Emotion & Commotion", leading Bass Player magazine to write, "Wilkenfeld powers four tracks with present, prescient parts; this includes 'Serene,' with her ear-grabbing fills and brief but bright solo." On the flipside came the news that after three thrilling years, Tal could not participate in Beck's current world tour because of scheduling issues. The time had come for her to focus all of her energy into writing and recording for her new solo project. While working away on her album in Los Angeles, Tal was asked to record on 3 CD's that are all due out in June 2010. Herbie Hancock's "the Imagine Project" where Tal appears on "A Change is Gonna Come" featuring James Morisson and "Don't Give Up" featuring John Legend and Pink; Macy Grays "The Sell-out" where Tal performs on the song "That Man"; and Lee Ritenours "Six String Theory", Featuring Tal on "68" with Steve Lukather, Neal Schon, and Slash; "In your Dreams" With Steve Lukather and Lee Ritenour; "Give Me One Reason" with Joe Bonamassa and Robert Cray; and Guthrie Govan's song "Fives" featuring a solo by Tal. On May 23rd she made a special appearance at the Baked Potato 40th anniversary show at the Ford Ampitheater with Steve Lukather's band.

Along with all the albums due out this summer, Tal will accompany Herbie Hancock on dates across US, Canada and Europe to support his new CD "The Imagine Project". This short tour will include two special shows at Carnegie Hall and The Hollywood Bowl to celebrate Herbie's 70th birthday.

While talking to the Ventura County Reporter about the upcoming tour, Herbie enthuses "I’ve also got Tal Wilkenfeld, an electric bass player from Australia; she’s been working with Jeff Beck. One of the most important qualities I look for in a musician is intuition. Absolutely. Vinnie Colaiuta has that. So does Tal Wilkenfeld, even though she’s still a budding musician. To me, she’s a derivative of Jaco Pastorius — she has the technique, the lyricism, and she plays flawlessly. But Jaco’s only one of her influences. I listen to her and I think: how can she only be 24?"

After the tour, Tal returns to the studio, and is aiming for an April 2011 release of her new CD."
 

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The fact that he had to "settle" for John Paul Jones--definitely in the Top 10 on any list of all-time great rock bassists--says even more about how special John was.

John Paul Jones plays many instruments and does it well, including but not limited to folk and electronic. He is a vastly underrated musical powerhouse phenomena.
 

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John Paul Jones plays many instruments and does it well, including but not limited to folk and electronic. He is a vastly underrated musical powerhouse phenomena.
This I agree with. John Paul Jones' bass was perfect for the Led Zep tunes. Also he played keyboards, such as the atmospheric organ on Thank You, and also played and arranged the iconic recorders at the starting section of Stairway To Heaven. In this respect, I doubt John Entwistle could have outdone him insofar as powering Led Zeppelin goes.

As for Tal Wilkenfeld, she definitely has some jazz chops, albeit with a rockish inclination. The fact that she was chosen by Chick Corea for his Aussie tour in 2007, where she played alongside Frank Gambale and Antonio Sanchez says something about her abilities beyond the rock arena.
 

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+1 Thanks for that. I never thought the OP was comparing a late career version of a great bassist who had played his bands songs ten million times mostly in a similar way to a young musician who was stepping up to some really good playing with a guitarist who could have the pick of the crop playing bass with him.

Just because you go consistently go off with an absence of data or fact doesn't mean that your perspective reflects reality.

It's not about "time will tell" - she is in demand as a musician. How 'bout you?

From Tal's website: http://www.talwilkenfeld.com/

"Fulfilling the title of her critically-hailed debut disc, Tal Wilkenfeld's transformation has been continuing at a dizzying pace. Early 2009 saw Tal in New York City where she was featured as a special guest on "Late Night With Jimmy Fallon" sitting in with "The Roots". She then went on to tour extensively with Jeff Beck in Australia, Japan, America, Europe, Canada and the UK. During the UK run, David Gilmour sat in with the group during a special performance at the Royal Albert Hall. One of the highlights of the year included playing with Jeff at his induction into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in Cleveland, which featured Tal playing "Immigrant Song" with Led Zeppelin's Jimmy Page. Jeff Beck Recalls: "When I was inducted, we were going to have Jimmy Page come on and play '(Beck's) Bolero'. But I didn't think it would be right for him to be playing rhythm guitar all the way through that one number. Then the phone rang and it was Tal Wilkenfeld, my then bass player. She was on the way down in the elevator and told me we should play 'Immigrant Song.' We were going on in ten minutes and had no time to rehearse. She said 'Oh, when you stop in the middle of 'Bolero', when the rhythm changes, we'll kick in to 'Immigrant Song'. "That's what I like - right on the hoof. Nobody knew, the lighting and sound guys didn't know, the organizers didn't know. I just grabbed the microphone and shouted, "Jimmy Paaaage!" and went straight into the song. I loved that. That's what you call dangerous, that's living on your reflexes."

July also found Tal in the studio, playing bass on a track for Herbie Hancock's upcoming CD. In October Tal reunited with Jeff at Madison Square Garden for the historic Rock and Roll Hall Of Fame's 25th Anniversary two night concert. Beck's searing set included guests Buddy Guy, Sting and Billy Gibbons.

February began with the exhilarating word that Jeff Beck had won a Grammy for the much acclaimed CD/DVD "Jeff Beck: Performing This Week...Live At Ronnie Scott's." In addition, Tal was featured on 4 tracks on Jeff's new album, "Emotion & Commotion", leading Bass Player magazine to write, "Wilkenfeld powers four tracks with present, prescient parts; this includes 'Serene,' with her ear-grabbing fills and brief but bright solo." On the flipside came the news that after three thrilling years, Tal could not participate in Beck's current world tour because of scheduling issues. The time had come for her to focus all of her energy into writing and recording for her new solo project. While working away on her album in Los Angeles, Tal was asked to record on 3 CD's that are all due out in June 2010. Herbie Hancock's "the Imagine Project" where Tal appears on "A Change is Gonna Come" featuring James Morisson and "Don't Give Up" featuring John Legend and Pink; Macy Grays "The Sell-out" where Tal performs on the song "That Man"; and Lee Ritenours "Six String Theory", Featuring Tal on "68" with Steve Lukather, Neal Schon, and Slash; "In your Dreams" With Steve Lukather and Lee Ritenour; "Give Me One Reason" with Joe Bonamassa and Robert Cray; and Guthrie Govan's song "Fives" featuring a solo by Tal. On May 23rd she made a special appearance at the Baked Potato 40th anniversary show at the Ford Ampitheater with Steve Lukather's band.

Along with all the albums due out this summer, Tal will accompany Herbie Hancock on dates across US, Canada and Europe to support his new CD "The Imagine Project". This short tour will include two special shows at Carnegie Hall and The Hollywood Bowl to celebrate Herbie's 70th birthday.

While talking to the Ventura County Reporter about the upcoming tour, Herbie enthuses "I’ve also got Tal Wilkenfeld, an electric bass player from Australia; she’s been working with Jeff Beck. One of the most important qualities I look for in a musician is intuition. Absolutely. Vinnie Colaiuta has that. So does Tal Wilkenfeld, even though she’s still a budding musician. To me, she’s a derivative of Jaco Pastorius — she has the technique, the lyricism, and she plays flawlessly. But Jaco’s only one of her influences. I listen to her and I think: how can she only be 24?"

After the tour, Tal returns to the studio, and is aiming for an April 2011 release of her new CD."
 

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I saw the whole Live atRonnie scotts show with Jeff Beck. The whole band is ridiculous. She isn't comparable to John Entwhistle. It is like Art Pepper and Joshua Redman. Apples and Oranges. The whole prodigy aside, she is good. "Little" stevie wonder was a child prodigy at one point too..
 

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FYI (in case the last vid I posted had you wanting more...)--


BTW it appears that when you poll actual bassists and related enthusiasts who populate youtube (and not say, sax players) on this issue, the consensus appears to be that John was the best rock bassist of all time:


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Personally, I always got goose flesh from his playing on "the Real Me," also off Townshend's masterpiece, "Quadrophenia":


I'm just really, really thankful that I got to not only hear him but meet him in person just a few years before his untimely passing at the age of 57.... :(
 

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I have been playing bass on and off for about 20 years now, so I do have some knowledge of the instrument.

Interesting poll clips. i would have never figured to have Jaco P in at #4 at John Entwistle at #1, but I guess everyone will have a different take on who's the greatest one of all (if there is really such a thing). While I respect John Entwistle's abilities with the bass very much, I would definitely pick Jaco, or even Jeff Berlin above him. And Marcus Miller not even in the top 20? Think most people would pick him above Stu Hamm IMHO.
 
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