[Richard901]

 

[Hassles]

another terrific presentation - shame he couldn't dig up any Earl Bostic videos - I am sure he would have included them.

 

[Morph1590]

Here's my guess...

1. Charlie Parker
2. Johnny Hodges
3. Lee Konitz
4. Art Pepper
5. Sonny Stitt
6. Cannonball Adderley
7. Maceo Parker
8. David Sanborn
9. Kenny Garrett
10. Phil Woods


Will check out the video!

Edit: Can't believe I missed Ornette! Love Jackie Mac, and Benny Carter too. They'd all be on MY list...

 

[Hassles]

your list is pretty good, impressive in fact but - not correct

 

[lesacks]

Whatever the list, I really like these YouTubes where folk tell you what they're hearing or seeing.

 

[whaler]

List number two of who were left out could be long; I’d start with Bud Shank, the obscure Jimmy Ford and one who’s still alive, Miguel Zenon.

 

[Kritavi]

My alternative list of players not on his list.

Tab Smith
Bud Shank
Oliver Nelson
Eric Dolphy
Frank Strozier
Hank Crawford
Jackie Mclean
John Handy
Anthony Braxton
Steve Coleman

 

[rsclosson]

Paul Desmond and Ornette Coleman are on his list so I am happy!

 

[10mfan]

These lists are fun to banter about, and no ones TOP 10 LIST will be agreed upon by all, as we know.

So many great players.

Some of these guys below should be mentioned if you are making a "TOP 10 PLAYERS OF ALL TIME" list (which would include players post 1960's).
Some names not on the list includes some older guys and newer guys.... Earl Bostic, Art Pepper, Kenny Garrett, Eric Dolphy, Vincent Herring, David Sanborn, Hank Crawford, Peter King, Maceo, Lou Donaldson, and Charles McPherson, to name a few.

Oyyyy...so many great alto guys!

Earl Bostic certainly isn't as widely known, but he could play circles around well, most, at the very least.
Pharaoh Sanders told me that he and Trane were in AWE of Earl Bostic. He told me that Trane went crazy when he saw Earl hit a low A straight out without his knee in the bell.

Heres a sample of Earls talents....

Here's Peter King...GORGEOUS PLAYING!

 

[tony51]

Add Eric Dolphy and Art Pepper and I don't think anyone could argue much as a (jazz) top 12. He doesn't exactly sound convinced about Ornette though and that video doesn't help. Here's a better one.

 

[Hassles]

will we ever really comprehend Sax's legacy? like he never realised the immensity and worth of his creation.

 

[Lambros]

Lee Konitz and Jackie MacLean and no Eric Dolphy...oh, geez...

 

[Lambros]

Paul Desmond and Ornette Coleman are on his list so I am happy!

He highlighted Ornette in an obligatory/wishy-washy manner.

 

[Reet McVouty]

I don't believe the list is intended to include today's current masters such as Kenny Garrett. I think it's more or less a list of those influential players of the past that today's players derive their inspiration from. I was nine out of ten with Jay except for Ornette Coleman. I've tried over the years, but I find him totally un-listenable. Different strokes. Anyway, Art Pepper is number ten for me.

 

[mrpeebee]

Sonny Stitt played a metal Otto Link Tone Master on alto in that video, not a Super Tone Master.

Leo Wright was a great alto player who's almost never mentioned in these kind of ranking lists.

 

[Lambros]

Sonny Stitt played a metal Otto Link Tone Master on alto in that video, not a Super Tone Master.

Leo Wright was a great alto player who's almost never mentioned in these kind of ranking lists.

You would figure that a self professed gear nut like him would know the difference, Peter.

 

[Keith Ridenhour]

I told him his list showed his age. It was based on the premise that no ground breaking altos came after 1975 and that we should all go back 60 years for direction. Do you think Bird spent lots of time studying the hip altos of 1890?? K

 

[ilikejam]

Sonny Stitt played a metal Otto Link Tone Master on alto in that video, not a Super Tone Master.

mrpeebee a nerd question for you re Stitt's mouthpiece on the Loverman clip Circa 65.
There is a nice closeup of the shank at about the one minute mark, but I still can't be sure it's his Tonemaster from that shot. It may of course be the piece Tim Price spoke of, the Tonemaster with the Frank Wells enhanced baffle.
I know what Tonemasters look like but I just don't see enough high resolution detail to be 100% sure it is the TM, he was of course reputed to play other metal Links--no USA's and DRs at various times. I gather that you see enough detail on this clip to be 100% certain that it is the TM?

 

[mrpeebee]

mrpeebee a nerd question for you re Stitt's mouthpiece on the Loverman clip Circa 65.
There is a nice closeup of the shank at about the one minute mark, but I still can't be sure it's his Tonemaster from that shot. It may of course be the piece Tim Price spoke of, the Tonemaster with the Frank Wells enhanced baffle.
I know what Tonemasters look like but I just don't see enough high resolution detail to be 100% sure it is the TM, he was of course reputed to play other metal Links--no USA's and DRs at various times. I gather that you see enough detail on this clip to be 100% certain that it is the TM?

Alto Link's are always hard to identify and even more in moving video shots.

Checking the YouTube clip I found at 1:29 a reasonably clear view that makes me think it's a Tone Master (same for the view at 1:00). It's not only the shape of the shank, but also the ridge and boldness of the mouthpiece and ligature that makes me think he plays a TM here and not a STM.

- Lover Man clip:

- Close-up shot 1:29:

On tenor he mainly played STM's in his metal Link period (mostly a Double Ring around a 7 or 7* tip if I remember correctly).

 

[Lambros]

I told him his list showed his age. It was based on the premise that no ground breaking altos came after 1975 and that we should all go back 60 years for direction. Do you think Bird spent lots of time studying the hip altos of 1890?? K

Keith I understand what you're getting at but clearly he's trying to highlight the most original and influential from the swing to post bop eras. I think getting 7 or 8 out of ten right isn't bad but it's not a very coherent effort and it's a bit glib and self serving as well.