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I just picked up the 1973 recording of Jackie McLean and Dexter Gordon, The Source, and man, it really knocked me out! I never knew they played together. I've been listening to a lot of Jackie, and while at work (Borders) was looking for some recordings, came across this, ordered it, and wow! Anyone else have this album, or the first volume of this collaboration, The Meeting?

I ordered The Montmarte Summit 1973 before I realized that it was the two volumes together, so I'm not going to buy it when it comes in, but are there any other recordings of these guys together?

Also, is Nature Boy (1999) Jackie's last recording? Seven years seems like a long time to not record, and I'm wondering if there are any publications put out through Hartt School where he was a teacher.
 

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Jackie recorded a lot of great CD's with Steeplechase. One of my favorites is New York Calling with Billy Gault (Gualt?) on piano, who did some great writing, and I THINK may have died tragically young. ANybody know? I have the recordings you mention and others by Jackie (and Dex) on vinyl and love them.
 

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My favorite among the Steeplechase albums is the duet with Michael Carvin called "Antiquity." They do a lot of African roots inspired things. It is really great.

There's also a nice album that he does with Gary Bartz in the front line. My favorite tune on there is something like "The Long Black Block" where Jackie and Gary sing (in part, "Look down that long, black block; and tell me, what do you see?; all the black men, women, and children; they are striving to be freeeeeeeeee").

Also one of the albums has a nice version of Jackie doing "Parker's Mood."

All in all these albums are good, but I don't think they are the equal of the best of his Blue Note albums. "Antiquity" is the standout because I don't think there's anything else quite like it in Jackie's discography.
 

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Eulipion2 said:
I just picked up the 1973 recording of Jackie McLean and Dexter Gordon, The Source, and man, it really knocked me out! I never knew they played together. I've been listening to a lot of Jackie, and while at work (Borders) was looking for some recordings, came across this, ordered it, and wow! Anyone else have this album, or the first volume of this collaboration, The Meeting?
Yeah, Eulipion2, thanks for reminding my of those great CDs! I put on The Meeting as soon as I read your post, 'cuz it's been a while... I'd say I prefer it over The Source, though part of that might be familiarity -- it's the one I had first (originally bought on LP...), and know best.

Dexter and Jackie sound marvelous together -- though Jackie's in his own (flat) intonational universe that makes his lines even more bracing -- and took a bit of getting used to for me at first. (Von Freeman's the only other guy I can think of who inhabits a sort of "alternate intonation reality" and can get away with it....) After one of Jackie's tart and astringent solos, Dex sounds like heavy cream!

Part of what also kills about these recordings is the rhythm section: Kenny Drew swings his butt off, NHOP is down-and-out astonishingly great, and Alex Riel on drums is an aggressive ball-buster who would intimidate lesser players (Riel also has a great recording out, Unriel!, that pairs Jerry Bergonzi and Michael Brecker (!!!), along with Mike Stern and Eddie Gomez -- good stuff).
 

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Oh man, two of my all-time favorite players! I have to get this one. By the way, I think Jackie tends to play a bit sharp, not flat, but I could be wrong about that. Whatever he was doing with the intonation, it sounded great.
 

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JMac only got better.

Love all off Jackie's periods. His early Blue Note stuff is classic- Swing, Swang, Swingin to the more avante garde- Let Freedom Ring, Destination Out. Have all the Steeple Chase stuff too. There's a record called Tune Up that's pretty raw but is super soulful. Old Wine and New Bottles is a later one too, not sure of the label. His recordings in the 80's and 90's on Antilles and the Japanese Blue Note label are all killing. Rhythm of the Earth, Fire and Love, JMac Attack, Hat Trick. Almost forgot the early stuff he did for Prestige- Long Dring of the Blues- he plays a track on tenor. He's the greatest, could go on and on- Jmac on Mars- video and the Connection w/ Freddie Redd. He told me that when he did those Dex sides Dex was pretty intoxicated and was sitting down the whole gig. Gotta check out those early Messenger records too- Night in Tunisia.
 

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Jacke McLean
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Kelly Bucheger said:
(Riel also has a great recording out, Unriel!, that pairs Jerry Bergonzi and Michael Brecker (!!!), along with Mike Stern and Eddie Gomez -- good stuff).
Kelly, thanks for the tip on this one. I'm going to check it out as soon as I can!

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Also, is Nature Boy (1999) Jackie's last recording? Seven years seems like a long time to not record, and I'm wondering if there are any publications put out through Hartt School where he was a teacher.
Anybody know about this one?
 

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Nature Boy was his last recording for a label. I think he did a live radio broadcast for NPR at the Blue Note or Iridium. It was with his son Rene, a Quintet. There might be a way to get it from some archives, can't remember what year but it was after 99'.
 

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Eulipion2 said:
I just picked up the 1973 recording of Jackie McLean and Dexter Gordon, The Source, and man, it really knocked me out! I never knew they played together. I've been listening to a lot of Jackie, and while at work (Borders) was looking for some recordings, came across this, ordered it, and wow! Anyone else have this album, or the first volume of this collaboration, The Meeting?

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I've got "The Source" on vinyl, imho it's one of Dexter's *worst* recordings on Steeplechase. Too much booze, maybe. Better off with any of his other Steeplechase dates, or a dozen other contemporary Dex recordings from the early 1970's on various labels.
As for Jackie M, he's not one of the guys i listen to....

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As for Jackie M, he's not one of the guys i listen to....

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Well by golly, he should be! Check him out with Lee Morgan or Art Blakey, or on Dig with Miles, or on any of his stuff as leader, especially his Blue Note works. He's somewhere in between straight up hard bop to somewhat free. I just picked up Bluesnik which Blue Note claims is one of his more accessible albums, but I haven't listened to it yet. Also check out his stuff with Grachan Moncur III.
 

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Well by golly, he should be! Check him out with Lee Morgan or Art Blakey, or on Dig with Miles, or on any of his stuff as leader, especially his Blue Note works. He's somewhere in between straight up hard bop to somewhat free. I just picked up Bluesnik which Blue Note claims is one of his more accessible albums, but I haven't listened to it yet. Also check out his stuff with Grachan Moncur III.
Or his stuff with Mingus....
 

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Most interesting Jackie album I heard recently was his Old and New Gospel, with Ornette on trumpet :)

And yes, I believe Nature Boy was his last official release...which is too bad because I always found it one of Jackie's poorest effort, despite the stellar line-up.

Oh well. Like others have said, I can always go back to his great blue-note releases. I always used to say Let Freedom Ring was the best, but I might have to change it to Destination Out! It's got Jackie, Bobby Hutcherson, Grachan Moncur III, Larry Ridley and Roy Haynes. Plays more elaborate compositions than he sometimes does, and it's by no means a mere blowing date.

What a fantastic player.
 

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McLean plays heartbreakingly on Mal Waldrons "Left Alone '86". (Don't mix it up with "Left Alone Revisited".) An excellent CD but only for people who can stand McLean's "intonational universe".
 

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Love all off Jackie's periods. His early Blue Note stuff is classic- Swing, Swang, Swingin to the more avante garde- Let Freedom Ring, Destination Out. Have all the Steeple Chase stuff too. There's a record called Tune Up that's pretty raw but is super soulful. Old Wine and New Bottles is a later one too, not sure of the label. His recordings in the 80's and 90's on Antilles and the Japanese Blue Note label are all killing. Rhythm of the Earth, Fire and Love, JMac Attack, Hat Trick. Almost forgot the early stuff he did for Prestige- Long Dring of the Blues- he plays a track on tenor. He's the greatest, could go on and on- Jmac on Mars- video and the Connection w/ Freddie Redd. He told me that when he did those Dex sides Dex was pretty intoxicated and was sitting down the whole gig. Gotta check out those early Messenger records too- Night in Tunisia.
I have that TUNE UP album on vinyl !

Jackie had a thing, swingwise, that was the epitome of 1950s NYC.

Growing up around Sonny Rollins, I think, had a big impact, also as he was
the prodigy that everyone in the neighborhood looked up to.

Funny you mention that tenor solo on Long Drink; I think if Jackie had played
more tenor you would have seen the Sonny/Bird tenor influence more readily.

Bird's recordings on tenor had a deep impact on Sonny, according to many
of the guys who knew him, then(Walter Bishop Jr. being one..).

Both those guys(Jackie&Newk) were around Bud, Bird, Miles, Kenny Drew Art Taylor.

How could you not get it together w/ that kind of impetus ?
Art Blakey .. Monk as musical mentors:shock:

Imagine what inspiration they had being native to that environment and literally
being baptized and coming of age, musically, in those scenarios.


Soulful, raw, and swinging like mad -- he really picked up on those shifting
rhythmic accents that make him more interesting than a Sonny Stitt; even
though Stitt could've probably worn him down w/ the 'licks', in a jam session
environment.

Stitt was a lickmeister, for sure, and I love his best moments, but Jackie had
something else that made him sooo great, even when he repeated himself.

That conviction in his phrasing, he got directly from Dexter Gordon who was
also convincing and believable even when he was 'quoting' or playing cliches
that would sound/seem trite coming from the average player of the period.

They both meant it from the depths of their souls; Dex and J.Mac:cool:
 

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I just picked up The Meeting, and Kelley, I think I agree with you. I think I like it better than The Source. I think it's the solos. Don't get me wrong, The Source had some awesome solos, but WOW they were in fine form on the other! Then again, I've only listened to The Meeting once, so I'll need to give it a few more listens to be sure.
 
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