[Maboe]

Can someone give me more information about this saxophone.
He would come from the Instrumentenfabriek Ivan Wynsberghe from Bruges from the period 1940 ...
Someone told me that Wynsberghe was not a manufacturer but an instrument store that sold Stencils.
Which Stencil Could This Be?

ik voeg nog een krantenknipsel toe van 6 juni 1941 waarin Ivan Wynsberghe een advertentie plaatste onder de rubriek muziekinstrumenten fabriek.
Dus mijn exemplaar kan inderdaad uit de jaren 1930 zijn.
bedankt voor jullie reactie.

 

[milandro]

It may very well be a Belgian made Saxophone, there were many factories in Belgium.

I have seen that kind of brace before , it does appear to have some elements common to some german or bohemian saxophones and a vague resemblance to the Conn 6M left hand plateau.

Seen the pads ( and the fact that it is unlikely that during the war there was any metal in Belgium to make a saxophone), this was probably made in the late ’30 quite sure it wasn’t made in the ‘40

 

[JayeLID]

ANOTHER Wynsberghe !!!!???? Jeez, did those grow on TREES or something back then ?

:bluewink:

Just kidding.

It could be as late as '40, if '30's - it's probably mid-30's at least given the same-side bellkeys.

Some resemblence to the Keilwerth-Amati-Kohlert school, lloking at spat keys and the angled spines on the bellkeys, etc...so the region is probably as Milandro states.

Cool bellbrace, LOL !

Typically, horns like this can be quite decent players. The question becomes, what is one willing to invest in it. It has no obviously known pedigree, so folks can only estimate. IF it plays, perhaps would be worth $500 here in US.

If it doesn't, maybe $300 simply due to it's great aesthetic condition and not 'anachronistic' in its usability (i.e. I believe I see a teardrop front F ? if so, it is fully keyed).

Thanks for posting this...always interesting to see mystery horns.

 

[Maboe]

Bedankt om mijn bericht te bekijken.
Wat wil u zeggen met" traanfront F"mogelijk een slechte vertaling van Engels naar Nederlands???

met vriendelijke groeten

Marc

 

[Maboe]

Bedankt om dit te bekijken.
Ik ga op zoek naar afbeeldingen van Duitse of Boheemse afbeeldingen om gelijkenissen te vinden.

met vriendelijke groeten

Marc

 

[milandro]

Hallo Marc,

volgens de regels de officiële taal van het forum is Engels ! According the the rules the official forum language in English.

Teardrop = druppelvormig


Maybe it was a reference to a key with such a shape ( although I don’t see one in the pictures).

By the way I’ve observed by the cork something that looks like a remnant of a micro truner that s no longer there.

 

[Maboe]

Dag Milandro,

U hebt denk ik zeker gelijk wat betreft de microtuner.
Ik plaatste vandaag een nieuwe kurk en zag tijdens het verwijderen van de oude kurk dat er inderdaad een conisch pijpje gesoldeerd werd dat aansluit op de schroefdraad.
Blijft natuurlijk de vraag op de hals/neck orgineel is, wat wil zeggen dat oorspronkelijk het een Alto was met microtuner of dat de hals niet echt bij de saxofoon hoort.
Dit is voor mij een raadsel.
Alvast bedankt voor uw reactie.
Marc

 

[turf3]

That's really weird. It's like a Conn and a Holton did a lot of shrooms and had a love child.

 

[milandro]

Dag Milandro,

U hebt denk ik zeker gelijk wat betreft de microtuner.
Ik plaatste vandaag een nieuwe kurk en zag tijdens het verwijderen van de oude kurk dat er inderdaad een conisch pijpje gesoldeerd werd dat aansluit op de schroefdraad.
Blijft natuurlijk de vraag op de hals/neck orgineel is, wat wil zeggen dat oorspronkelijk het een Alto was met microtuner of dat de hals niet echt bij de saxofoon hoort.
Dit is voor mij een raadsel.
Alvast bedankt voor uw reactie.
Marc

Hello Again Marc, please, few people understand Dutch here, use English.

I am quite sure this is the original neck, as soon as I will come across this bel to body brace ( a shape that I have seen before just can't remember where) I will get back to you.
Belgium was a country with at least 4 to 5 different saxophone companies, so it would have been logical for a Belgian shop to source locally, and in general terms they took inspiration both from French and from German-Bohemian brands.

 

[milandro]

I was right I had seen that brace before but it is not to going to help identifying the sax , it belongs to a collection of a friend of mine in te NL. The horn ins not identical but very similar and had this brace but has one of those nondescript names " the melody"

 

[milandro]

I think your saxophone (and the one of my friend ) are made by FX Hüller

there is a dedicated pge to these saxophones

http://www.fxhuller.com/stencils.php

which model I am not sure but that brace is very typical

 

[Hassles]

I am siding with Huller also

 

[milandro]

just found another huller with that typical brace

 

[Maboe]

Thanks for the info. FX Hüller indeed has many similarities.
I will add some more pictures of the thumb hook.
Sometimes I have the impression that it is a prototype, see for example the serial number on which a guard's foot is soldered.
The ring for the neck strap is not original, I suspect.
Are these soldered rolled tone holes?
My apologies for potentially stupid questions I'm a beginner.

 

[Maboe]

Extra foto's Wynsberghe.

 

[milandro]

I would be reluctant to think that this was a proptotype, althogug many times peole claim that anything unusual is a prototype, it very rarely is. Often stencis (this is one) were made by using parts of different models.

these are real rolled toneholes solered on toneholes appeard very much later on. Mst German or Bohemian horns had rolled toneholes when this was made. I have seen that same king of hook ring before and I am quite sure it is original.

A strage thing , being this Belgian and nearly positively made in the Czech Bohemian Sudetenlad area is the use, of what appears to be the Broad Arrow , which in the British army indicates a military commissioned object

But although each and everything on this horn makes it interesting , it doesn’t make it more collectable or dare I say valuable.

 

[Rinaldo]

Can someone give me more information about this saxophone.
He would come from the Instrumentenfabriek Ivan Wynsberghe from Bruges from the period 1940 ...
Someone told me that Wynsberghe was not a manufacturer but an instrument store that sold Stencils.
Which Stencil Could This Be?

ik voeg nog een krantenknipsel toe van 6 juni 1941 waarin Ivan Wynsberghe een advertentie plaatste onder de rubriek muziekinstrumenten fabriek.
Dus mijn exemplaar kan inderdaad uit de jaren 1930 zijn.
bedankt voor jullie reactie.

 

[Rinaldo]

Hi -
Ivan Wynsberghe was absolutely an instrument manufacturer. But I don't think he built saxophones himself. He certainly did make drums for marching bands. And he also built trumpets, tubas, etc. His workshop was rather small. My wife and I now live in the house where his workshop used to be. When we cleaned up, we discovered some spare parts for trumpets, some packaging material, an old press to shape metal, and on the attic were rows of nails to hang different sizes of drum clamping... But we never saw anything that pointed to saxophones...

 

[milandro]

the Saxophone above was certainly Hüller made, like most instrument makers offering a wide range of instruments Ivan Wynsberghe must have bought intruments from others, especially if he had a small shop, he wouldn’t have had the knowledge to make from trumpets to saxophones

 

[Maboe]

Hi -
Ivan Wynsberghe was absolutely an instrument manufacturer. But I don't think he built saxophones himself. He certainly did make drums for marching bands. And he also built trumpets, tubas, etc. His workshop was rather small. My wife and I now live in the house where his workshop used to be. When we cleaned up, we discovered some spare parts for trumpets, some packaging material, an old press to shape metal, and on the attic were rows of nails to hang different sizes of drum clamping... But we never saw anything that pointed to saxophones...

Nice, but always exciting to find such things in an attic. Beautiful city by the way, Bruges. Greetings from Antwerp.