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Can anybody help finding out what brand this neck is ? Martin or maybe Conn ?
 

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If Martin, the serial would place it at a late Handcraft/pre- Comm 1 era.

Handcrafts seem to have gone up to around 100,XXX before the Comm 1 appeared.

From saxpics:


is a Handcraft tenor....neck looks very similar to yours. So, it's a fair bet to say it's Martin.
 

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It's Martin. I don't have a Handcraft tenor to show but I have a C-mel that's 28XXX, so a tiny bit earlier. You can see the similarity...despite than the goofy angle of the c-mel neck.

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The Neck came with a Olds Super, and I knew it is not the original. But I guessed it should be Martin….Thanks !
 

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If Martin, the serial would place it at a late Handcraft/pre- Comm 1 era.

Handcrafts seem to have gone up to around 100,XXX before the Comm 1 appeared.

From saxpics:


is a Handcraft tenor....neck looks very similar to yours. So, it's a fair bet to say it's Martin.
Yeah, definitely a Martin neck .
I have an 89K tenor but also a late 109k HC tenor .

Neck specs on that one seem identical to my 116,xxx Comm. 1 tenor .
 

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The Olds Super was built using some Martin parts, so the neck is likely the original Olds neck and a Martin neck. There is an article on The Basic Sax Blog that compares the Super with Martins.

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The Olds Super was built using some Martin parts, so the neck is likely the original Olds neck and a Martin neck.
No Olds Super photos online I have come across show that style neck on a Super. Maybe there are some, but a quick perusal doesn't show any...

Also, OP noted a serial # on neck....my guess is the serial # doesn't match the body of his Super.

So ...while it indeed may be a logical replacement neck for a Super, as it's a Martin spec....it is almost certainly NOT the original neck for that Super...

....which again, from a market value standpoint is a bit of a bummer.

From a playing standpoint, possibly not a bad stand-in for the original neck...so someone along the line did a bit of homework...assuming it intones the horn up and down well.
 

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Only saw one of these in person at a store over 20 years ago. Can't recall if it
was an alto or tenor . Congrats on finding one !

Just glancing over this one.. probably more similiar to a Comm I or II in terms of
the type of sound you can expect . BUT .. that HC neck might differ in the
response than the original neck, if the OEM was more like a Comm I or II spec.

I've read here that the necks on the Comm 1 tenors are different than the II
but I don't know in what way they differ.
My 89K HC tenor neck is shorter than my 109K late HC and early-ish Comm I
tenor ,, they also have noticeably larger inner diameters and seem identical .

Anyway, I think that Olds will be a good player.. hope you like it .
 

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Love those key cups.😍
 

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I don’t think it’s the original but I am sure it plays fine , it’s on the way…
Congrats. My point was more I hope you didn't pay an exhorbitant amount for that horn, I have seen a few of these sell for really eyebrow-raising prices. So given the neck, it should have been a fairly good deal as far as final price point.
As I said from a usability standpoint, a Martin HC neck on a Super was probably a pretty intelligent choice by someone, way back whenever.
Enjoy your new horn.
 

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I just played the Olds 2 hours,
Now I finally know the Olds super does not Sound like the Committee 1 / 2 or like the Centennial
I owned all these horns and my Centennial I just sold 2 weeks ago.
I would call it a bit darker, warmer but not as spread like a Conn.
OK I do not have the correct neck!
I mostly play a 1951 Keilwerth,
and surprisingly the Keilwerth neck fits on the Olds, it is just 2 millimeter that does not fit into the Saxbody
Intonation is the same with both necks
The palm keys are a bit to high but manageable
And the sound is bigger an has less resistance with the Keilwerth neck
I got the Olds for a very good price
So I am happy with that deal
 

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I just played the Olds 2 hours,
Now I finally know the Olds super does not Sound like the Committee 1 / 2 or like the Centennial
I owned all these horns and my Centennial I just sold 2 weeks ago.
I would call it a bit darker, warmer but not as spread like a Conn.

OK I do not have the correct neck!

I mostly play a 1951 Keilwerth,
and surprisingly the Keilwerth neck fits on the Olds, it is just 2 millimeter that does not fit into the Saxbody
Intonation is the same with both necks
The palm keys are a bit to high but manageable
And the sound is bigger an has less resistance with the Keilwerth neck
I got the Olds for a very good price
So I am happy with that deal
Glad you like it .

The neck is a factor if you would ever want to know how it originally
sounds and responds.

The neck from that period of Martins is a different spec as I mentioned earlier .

If I put my 89K neck on my 116K Comm I tenor there is more resistance .
It fits the socket perfect,, not even a slight rocking so there's no leak issue
to throw anything off.
I suspect it's the diameter [at the tip opening] that is the influencer, there .

Not to derail the topic but since you owned a Centennial how did you find it to
sound compared to a Comm I or II ?
 

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I played a Comm 2 and a Centennial a few month next to each other and I found them to sound very similar
The Com 1 is different in Sound darker and more spread in sound
 

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I played a Comm 2 and a Centennial a few month next to each other and I found them to sound very similar
The Com 1 is different in Sound darker and more spread in sound
My findings have been different. I've got a couple samples each of Comm I's and Comm II's, both alto and tenor. I find the Comm I's and II's to sound and play very similar if not identical. All 4 horns were overhauled with the same pads and flat resonators. Same setup too. The only "measurable" difference is that the Comm I's have a narrower bell. The rest of the body tubes measure virtually identical. I'll see if I can dig up the recordings I made comparing them in a medium sized room.
 
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