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I should have known this would happen - got my theory books going and have been working well. The theory seems to have a sort of logic to it and have been learning scales (Father charles goes down and ends battle:bluewink:) etc and feeling rather pleased with myself - now I am stuck!! Have searched the board but cannot find any basic theory board to post my questions on - is there one?

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Someone told me, "Fidel Castro gets drunker after every beer." Not sure drunker is a word, but I remembered it!

As for questions, this is probably a good place: It is the Late Bloomers section of the "Learning, Playing, Performance, Teaching Discussion" section of the forum. What are you stuck on?
 

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Thought you would never ask lol!! Have been looking at simple time signatures and compound time signatures. If I have got it right in simple time the top number tells you have many beats in a bar and the bottome number tells you what type of beat (how am i doing?) so far looked at 2/4, 3/4, 4/4, 2/2, 3/2 and 4/2. Seem to be ok with that bit? IOn compound time am looking at 6/8, 9/8 and 12/8. I understand the breakdown from quavers in groups of 3 to a dotted crotchet and can work out the time signature when it is nice and easy ie when music is written in three lots of 3 beamed quavers - then it must be 9/8 (is that correct?) my problems start when there is a range of notes in the music. In one of my exercises I have 4 bars of music. In the first bar are one quaver beamed to 4 semiquavers and then two beamed quavers, then in the next bar are one semiquaver beamed to a quaver beamed to a semiquaver followed by a semiquaver dotted - and then a semiquaver rest. So, I want to write 4/8 but there isn't a bloody 4/8!!! Feel the need to lie down in a darkened room. Can you help? Put me out of my misery please.

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(sorry to be a complete pain in the backside - It is so frustrating.............. my book simply says "
•Count the total number of crotchets in the first bar.
•Decide if crotchets are the main beat.
•Look at groups of beamed notes. Beamed notes are normally grouped to equal one beat, (or sometimes one bar).
•Decide whether the music is in duple, triple or quadruple time (is the bar divided into 2, 3 or 4 main beats?)
•If the main beat is dotted, it will be compound time. If it’s not dotted, it will be simple time.
•Choose the most likely time signature and test it against the other bars, to make sure you are right.


Might as well be written in double dutch!!
 

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clare, I know theory well but I'm afraid translating British rhythmic (quaver system) terms give me nose bleed. Can you scan your page and then post it here?
 

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I real life, what gets the beat does not always depend on the time signature. Tempo plays an important role. There is inconsistency in time signatures throughout the centuries. 6/8 could mean two or three beats per measure or it could switch back and forth between the two. 2/2 does not always mean two beats per measure (it could be four) and 4/4 does not always mean four beats per measure (it could be two). Use whatever beat makes sense for the piece.
 

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I dont have a scanner[rolleyes] not sure how to post the music up here for you to look at, I keep forgetting that this is an american board - sorry - so telling you I am looking a grade 3 past papers is not going to help much is it! Lutemann I am sure that everything you have posted is completely right thing is I dont understand a word of it - sorry. Need to think of a way to show you what the problem is -

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The main problem here is translation from English to American. Quavers and crotchets? Don't have a clue.
Now that I'm getting older, I quaver a lot and I'm certainly a lot more crotchety.
 

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Well spotted!! - try again

In one of my exercises I have 4 bars of music. In the first bar are one quaver beamed to 4 semiquavers and then two beamed quavers, then in the next bar are one semiquaver beamed to a quaver beamed to a semiquaver followed by a QUAVER dotted - and then a semiquaver rest. So, I want to write 4/8 but there isn't a bloody 4/8!!! Feel the need to lie down in a darkened room.

One quaver plus 4 demisemiquavers plus two quavers in first bar - is 4 quaver beats? but it's not is it.........................
 

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Clare - forginve me, I'm not yet visualizing the quavers, but just to throw this into the mix . . .
What if you called 4/8, 2/4? Would that help?
 

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Hang on a minute what do you mean you don't have quavers - what do you have then?? Oh Gary - is that it!!!!! does all my crotchest and quavers and things come to 2/4! See where your coming from not thought of it that way! Off to get a glass of wine and consider this new possibility.
 

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Here's a bit of musical babelfish

 

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Hang on, gotta take care of this nosebleed. :) This isn't really about theory, is it? This is about reading rhythm and phrasing in written music. Thankfully, I have had a teacher that stressed reading, and that helped me a lot when I had to learn 60 pieces for the Port Washington Community band that I played in this summer.
 
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