That's kind of like asking whether a 1990 Volvo 240 is "vintage" or "modern". It has computer controlled fuel/air/ignition management and air bags. But it's also 28 years old. On the other hand a 1987 Honda Accord still had a carburetor. I know that when I got my driver's license in 1978, a 28 year old car was a 1950 model and let me tell you, a 1950 car was really really old in 1978.Are MKVI considered vintage or modern sopranos, or somewhere in between? Got into a debate with a friend about this. I argued that they are the first modern horns, but with a tone that is more vintage than not.
In the end, it's all semantics, isn't it? Frankly I think more precise terms ought to be used.That's easy, turf: it's antique. Where I live, anyway, cars qualify for antique plates after 25 years.
I'm into vintage cars and horns, but not antiques.
I’m really in love with mine... a beautiful French-assembled horn from 1978. Just got a Selmer Classic metal E and it sounds great on it.vintage definition: "recognized and enduring interest, importance or quality; classic"
personally, i think horns, like guitars, violins, etc., long reached a level craftsmanship that maxed stability and creativity of talented practitioners. (heck, even Moog just went back and rebuilt modulars and minis, because their intrinsic quality has never really been topped.)
regarding the mkVI soprano, i've never listened to a Coltrane, Weather Report, electric Miles, etc. record and thought "Too bad that sax ain't cutting it." "vintage"? definitely. "antique?" hardly. admittedly, as a player, i am drawn to vintage horns, of which a mkVI soprano is my favorite.
I bought a MkVI soprano brand new around 1977, so that sounds about right to me. Then I sold it several years later, after picking up a '65 MkVI tenor (which I still have and play). And man, I wish I'd kept that soprano! That was one great horn; I'd probably still be playing soprano on occasion right now if I still had it. I've played/owned a couple other sopranos since and none of them came close.On second thought.. I think the sops were made from an earlier date to a later date 1979
Just got a Selmer Classic metal E and it sounds great on it.
Now, see, that's two different uses of classic right there. csacwp uses "Classic" in the sense of a reproduction or revival, while JL uses "classic" in the classic, evaluative sense. Both are correct in context, though almost complete opposites in meaning.Anyway, I'd call any MkVI a vintage horn. Top quality 'classic' horn that went out of production nearly 40 years ago.
Yeah, context is everything. But the semantics can get a bit sticky...Now, see, that's two different uses of classic right there. csacwp uses "Classic" in the sense of a reproduction or revival, while JL uses "classic" in the classic, evaluative sense. Both are correct in context, though almost complete opposites in meaning.
When my semantics get a bit sticky I just give them a good wipe down.......Yeah, context is everything. But the semantics can get a bit sticky...
I’d say, as probably a lot of of other players may, that I consider the front F more of a “high G” key. I just play a high G with 1st finger and opening the high F with my ring finger. Since I don’t use a strap on a Mark VI the horn is still in my grip.If my memory is correct, Mark VIs sopranos do not have a front F key. Would that make it more vintage than modern?