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I am thinking about buying this sax, but not sure what model it is and if it is real or not. It is pretty reasonable. I would appreciate any assistance on it.
 

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Yep...think you are right. As always, if it's too good to be true..it's usually not true. Thanks soooo much for your help on it.
 

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Stay away from it. As Dave says, trademark infringement is a crime in the US.
 

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You can spot it's a fake in a blink but we can also check how good this bastards are getting on the engraving and logo stamping... In few years you might have 2 identical vi side-by-side, same SN, etc...
 

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If you couldn’t spot this being a fake you should really not try to buy any Selmer on line.

The price was probably also a good indicator.

Buy a good, honest, cheap horn and play it. Whatever is too good to be true is going to be a fake.
 

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It's reaching the point where you should probably buy from a reputable dealer you know you can trust if you don't know for sure what you're looking at. The extra cost is worth peace of mind that you haven't been ripped off. Too bad the EU and US governments won't crack down on this kind of fraud.
 

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It's reaching the point where you should probably buy from a reputable dealer you know you can trust if you don't know for sure what you're looking at. The extra cost is worth peace of mind that you haven't been ripped off. Too bad the EU and US governments won't crack down on this kind of fraud.
How do you know they haven't "cracked down" on this kind of fraud? And, just what IS "cracking down"? Do you mean suddenly taking enforcement action after no enforcement action was taken in the past? Or, do you mean handing out heavier sentences for such frauds?

In light of the lenient sentences we see for crimes such as burglary, robbery, sexual assault, and narcotics-selling (to name a few crimes), it should not be a surprise to see lenient sentences when we see someone sentenced for trademark or copyright infringements. Society seems to have recently adopted a more lenient approach to criminal conduct.

But the civil penalties may even be heavier than the criminal penalties. When a trademark or copyright holder takes an infringer to civil court, the financial penalties can be harsh. And it happens all the time - you just don't hear about it. DAVE
 

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Where the hell is "Elkmart?"

DHGate, you never disappoint.

Over on Reddit, there seems to be a current trend of "not caring" that a horn may be fake because they "look good" and "play well."

Yeeeaaaah. Those kids got screwed.
 
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