[saxophender]

I found this on an online auction site, and can't figure out what it is. I'm hoping some of the experts here can tell me.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/230710292634?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649
It seems to have all the characteristics of a 57 (as I understand them), and the serial number seems to indicate 1957, but it doesn't say 57 on the bell, which looks like it has the 1960s Kohlert engraving. It's obviously not one of the B&H stencils. Did Kohlert make any other models in 1957? If so, does anybody know what this one is called? I read through a lot of the threads here, and checked saxpics, but couldn't find an answer.
Thanks!

 

[TommyD69]

If you don't mind the "car" metaphor... Not all cars produced by Chevrolet in 1957 were Corvettes...

This Kohlert horn does seem to have a 1957 serial number... But that doesn't automatically make it a "The Kohlert '57" model...

There are lots of little bits and pieces about Kohlerts all over the internet. What makes them difficult to find is the fact that the name (Kohlert) is being used for cheap Asian horns now... so doing a Google search returns a bunch of stuff that will confuse you...

I have seen some evidence to suggest that the NON-57 horns were called Bixley's or just Kohlert, there are other web sites that suggest there were lots of model names (none of which I can recall now) but those names may have been used in years other than 1957...

It is still a good playing 1957 horn, but it’s just not the pro level top of the line Kohlert from 1957...

ENJOY

 

[saxophender]

Thanks Tommy! I knew it wasn't a "The Kohlert 57." I just couldn't find what it was called, if anything - maybe it is, like you suggest, just a "Kohlert." I wonder what the differences are between it and the "57" - they look pretty similar aside from the engraving. From what I've read here, even the Kohlert stencils from the 50's are good players, so I'm cautiously optimistic it will be at least decent.

 

[Nevillesax]

Did you buy it???
If it played like a 57 it was cheap even with slightly funky-looking neck.
I had a tenor from 1957 which was engraved for a music store in Germany so, yes they did stencil. They started making the Regent, Edgeware and Bixley for Boosey and Hawkes around the same time. They had the 58 bell key stack though like the one I had...(just now sold to another forum member). Great horn.

Edit; your post just appeared so I see you did buy it...let us know how it works out!