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Check out these Sax On The Web lessons of mine for ideas and phrases on
the blues.

Each lesson is very different but still deals with some aspect of blues
playing via jazz.

://www.saxontheweb.net/Price/BluesScaleMatrix.html


http://www.saxontheweb.net/Price/BluesScaleMatrix.html


http://www.saxontheweb.net/Price/Blues1.html


http://www.saxontheweb.net/Price/Feb01.html


and- check the Bird lick here-from " nows the time"...
http://www.saxontheweb.net/Price/Roo...ajorChord.html






http://www.saxontheweb.net/Price/Feb01.html
This is some post-bop on the blues.


http://www.saxontheweb.net/Price/Blues2.html


http://www.saxontheweb.net/Price/RootlessMajorChord.html
Look further down in this one...I have a lick on Birds "Now's The Time"
thru 12
keys.




http://www.saxontheweb.net/Price/Blues1.html


Check them out & enjoy :mrgreen:
 

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O.K. Tim,
I need some help. you know the tune , Chameleon, we do it in big band with a bari solo, the solo is either 64 or 128 bars plus a 4 bar intro, I'm the bari player! here's the problem, it's all on Bbm concert, my Gm, great, but what the hell do I do for 64 or worse 128 bars? I just run out of ideas! I try all kinds of things including phrasing like a drummer, but I feel it stops happening, any suggestions?
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where melodic ideas may run out over 64 bars, groovy rhythmic ideas can surely last longer. :)
 

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...but what the hell do I do for 64 or worse 128 bars? I just run out of ideas!
One thing you could do is play fewer bars. There's no law saying you have to go on for 128 bars. Say what you have to say, then stop. Of course that doesn't really answer your question. There is a lot you can do, especially varying the rhythm or setting up a groove. Don't feel compelled to fill all those bars with a constant stream of notes; use phrasing with plenty of space. There are some harmonic devices also for playing over one chord, that I'm sure Tim can help you with.
 

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You "need" to look at the chart. It's a big band chart with horn backings throughout the solo, there is no way to play less.
I'm not saying i can't solo for 64 or 128 bars, but it's all on one chord, my Gm and other than rhythm patterns and backgrounds changing, for me, it gets in a rut! Lots of people and players for that matter have complimented the solo, it's "me" I'm deal with here and I'm the one not happy.
 

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Think melodically and rhythmically. If you're stuck as a "playing the changes" muso then it's a frustration. Indian musicians manage to play for hours based on a raga (single scale/chord). I'd rather play for an hour in one chord and say something than play for 15 seconds some throw away riff/arpeggio that says nothing.
 

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You "need" to look at the chart. It's a big band chart with horn backings throughout the solo, there is no way to play less.
Ok, sorry I somehow missed that you said it was a big band chart in your post. I should read more carefully. I've played this tune on several occasions, but never in a big band, so I wasn't required to fill a certain number of bars.

Since you are expected to play for a set number of bars, I guess I'd say again don't try to run a constant stream of notes. Leave some space. And also what Wade said in his post above. With one chord you are forced to look for good melodic ideas, good phrasing, with a strong sense of rhythm. This is a challenge, but also can be very liberating. You won't be mindlessly running changes, which is the good news. The head to Chameleon is very simple, but you still might use it as spring board and try to play off the melody/rhythm.
 

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where melodic ideas may run out over 64 bars, groovy rhythmic ideas can surely last longer. :)
Saxany, I understand your difficulty in improvising when the chords don't change much, such as for a song like Chameleon.

I will second the suggestion to use variety in rhythms. Can you play on one pitch for 8 measures, and make it interesting via the rhythms? If you think you can't, work on it.

Secondly, what are your bandmates playing while you solo? Is their a rhythm guitar player or a keyboard player who is playing some interesting stuff at that time? Sometimes a soloist can be the "straight man" while the "chord player" steals the show, at least for a while. This can be quite fun for the soloist if you really enjoy the interplay, and you can fade in and fade out of such passages to create some variety.
 

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Check out these Sax On The Web lessons of mine for ideas and phrases on
the blues.

Each lesson is very different but still deals with some aspect of blues
playing via jazz.

://www.saxontheweb.net/Price/BluesScaleMatrix.html


http://www.saxontheweb.net/Price/BluesScaleMatrix.html


http://www.saxontheweb.net/Price/Blues1.html


http://www.saxontheweb.net/Price/Feb01.html


and- check the Bird lick here-from " nows the time"...
http://www.saxontheweb.net/Price/Roo...ajorChord.html






http://www.saxontheweb.net/Price/Feb01.html
This is some post-bop on the blues.


http://www.saxontheweb.net/Price/Blues2.html


http://www.saxontheweb.net/Price/RootlessMajorChord.html
Look further down in this one...I have a lick on Birds "Now's The Time"
thru 12
keys.




http://www.saxontheweb.net/Price/Blues1.html


Check them out & enjoy :mrgreen:


Back to the topic..........check them out.
 
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