Idea: Horn Directory

2925 Views 21 Replies 13 Participants Last post by Pete, Jul 15, 2007

Pete

Discussion Starter · Jun 17, 2007

I think it would be beneficial, especially considering so many people keep saying that, "The new horn from $manufacturer is absolutely fantastic! And it's cheap!", that we should start a directory, of sorts.

Here's some details:
* Include the name of the manufacturer of the instrument
* Include a link to the manufacturer's product line (i.e. they're main website)
* Include a link to where you can BUY the products (i.e. real price data)
* Include what audience the horn is intended for (beginner, pro, etc.)

I know, for a fact, that there are at least 50 sax manufacturers currently out there, but listing them all off my head is difficult (how many folks thought of Jessen? RICHARD Keilwerth?). Heck, I've no idea where I could buy, say, a Buffet S3 Prestige bari. I know they exist. I don't even know how much one might cost.

Now, in the case of some brands, you might have no clue who actually makes 'em. I'd request somebody research that data

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If you agree that this is needed, please post. If not, we'll just let the thread die out. If this does go somewhere, I might web-ize the list and put it on my website.

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JCBigler

· #2 · Jun 19, 2007

saxpics said:
RICHARD Keilwerth?

yeah, *** is up with Richard Keilwerth guy? And why is he such a poser, trying to butt in on the real Keilwerth market

yeah, yeah, I know...some distant second cousin of Julius' wife's, brother's college roomate.... But seriously? richard Keilwerth? Does anyone even play one of their horns? Does anyone KNOW anyone who plays their horns?

Pete

Discussion Starter · #3 · Jun 20, 2007

JCBigler said:
yeah, *** is up with Richard Keilwerth guy? And why is he such a poser, trying to butt in on the real Keilwerth market

yeah, yeah, I know...some distant second cousin of Julius' wife's, brother's college roomate.... But seriously? richard Keilwerth? Does anyone even play one of their horns? Does anyone KNOW anyone who plays their horns?

Richard is one of Julius' brothers (yah, I know you were tryin' to be funny). Website's http://keilwerth.de/. I don't think they produce saxophones any longer, but their website has ... issues, so I can't be sure.

The point, of course, is that you might overlook a manufacturer or two. Hey, what about those guys making new C melodies? I think there at least two companies doing that. How 'bout the new "plastic" sax for around $200? Alessophone?

JCBigler

· #4 · Jun 20, 2007

Yes, I was trying to be funny. I'm in 12 hour long tech rehearsals for the Utah Shakespearean Festival (as the Lead Audio Tech), and when you mentioned Richard Keilwerth (whom I actually knew about, and did know that he was a brother of Julius) I just sort of lost it.

I actually think that the directory is a good idea. Maybe it could be a source for info on the goings-on of various saxophone manufacturers? Like clarifying rumors and such, like the whole Julius Keilwerth distribution situation.

I definitely think that it need to remain as neutral as possible. Just a repository of info about the company, their product, and where and for how much you can buy it. Maybe a brief history of the company, but not to get into any brand wars.

Let me know if you needs any help with it. I've got some basic html and web admin experience (i.e. running my own Linux webserver, etc...).

milandro

· #5 · Jun 20, 2007

Saxpics I think this is a very good idea

and might easily being financed with the inclusion of banners, links and advertising of the manufacturers. Containing a Magazine/Catalogue/Reference part and an advertising section.

Perhaps using the revenue to finance an integration with a new (revised and improved) Saxpics site with all the information that it has at the moment (maybe considering a revision here and there...., I've been quoting part of it on this site sometimes and found out that not everything is as accurate and precise as one thinks) but a much more clear structure (I have serious problems in consulting your site at times and I am really thankful about it but I think, sometimes, it reveals the need to be reconstructed with someting else than the Chinese boxes structure it has at the moment)

Bootman

· #6 · Jun 20, 2007

I have one of these directories in my head! You are all welcome to look in my ear and have a Bo peep!

Seriously though, it isn't a bad idea.

Yes, I have owned and played some of the Richard Keilwerth horns.......I don't remember much about it though!

JCBigler

· #7 · Jun 20, 2007

Bootman said:
Yes, I have owned and played some of the Richard Keilwerth horns.......

Did you buy it by mistake? Was it one of those shady ebay deals: "Look you can now own a PROFESSIONAL Keilwerth saxophone for only 675 pesos!" Was it listed as a "Kyleworth"?

J/K (whoa! :shock: seriously, no pun intended!)

littlemanbighorn

· #8 · Jun 20, 2007

I think it's a great idea. Allow user reviews and it would be great.
My girlfriend and I recently been looking to get into canoeing and I found a great site called paddling.net which is set up very well with reviews and user reviews that I got a lot from.

14470

· #9 · Jun 20, 2007

littlemanbighorn said:
I think it's a great idea.

Second that.

Pete

Discussion Starter · #10 · Jul 2, 2007

Well, I'm thinking about running with this idea.

Any ideas about what should be included? Layout?

I'd think that any directory should have:

* A representative picture of the horn
* A link to manufacturer data
* A link to a product brochure/product data
* A link to a price
* Listing of country of manufacture
* Link to a review or a few
* Ability to compare horns side-by-side
* Ability for user(s) to post reviews/additional info
* Link to a listing of endorsing artists (maybe)

Easy for me to say. Harder to execute

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Mark R

· #11 · Jul 2, 2007

Peter, Yes I think it is an excellent idea.

BTW, thanks so much for the valuable resource you have already created in the past with saxpics.com. You have helped me make some much more informed decisions in the past on vintage horn buys/trades.

I can offer my personal opinions about several off-brand and not so major brand modern horns out there having owned Saxophone.com, Jupiter, P. Mauriat, Prestini, etc. as I am sure others could contribute too. Whatever I can do to add or help contact me. This is a fine idea IMO

Dr G

· #12 · Jul 2, 2007

Borgani

Pictures at http://www.tenormadness.com/product...3&onPhoto=1&productName=New+Borgani+Tenor+Sax

http://www.borgani.com/saxophones.htm

Available in the U.S. at Roberto's Music and TenorMadness (Randy Jones at Tenormadness.com - see listings under "Modern Horns").

Borgani is distributed worldwide by:

* Allegro Oxford Ltd
404 Marston Road, Marston
Oxford OX3 0JE U.K.
Ph. 0044- (0)1865-79.81.65
Fax 0044-(0)1865-40.76.62
E.mail: [email protected]
www.saxophoneheaven.com
Contact: Mr. Roger Baycock

* Roberto's Woodwind
146 West 46th Street
10036 New York U.S.A.
Ph. 001 - 212-391.13.15
Fax. 001-212-840.72.24
E.mail: [email protected]
www.robertoswoodwind.com
Contact: Mr. Roberto Romeo

* Ric Halstead Pty Ltd.
32 Allambi Terrace
Noosa Heads
Queensland
Q4567 Australia
Ph.(61) 7-5473 5000
E.mail: [email protected]

* Amsterdam Winds
Gerard Doustraat 132
1073 VX Amsterdam (NL)
Ph. 0031 (0) 20 675 96 94
Fax. 0031 (0) 20 675 96 79
E.mail: [email protected]
www.amsterdamwinds.nl
Contact: Mr. Friso Heidinga

* Godlyd Ans
Eidsvollgt 55 H
Sandnes - Rogaland
4307 Norway (N)
Ph. 0047 (0) 416 48 544
E.mail: [email protected]
www.godlyd.no
Contact: Mrs Debora Cooper

The Jubilee series is pro quality.

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rs1sensen

· #13 · Jul 2, 2007

I really like the idea!

As far as the practicalities of it go...

What about doing it as a Wiki? There are a lot of open source versions, easy to install on your website, and many of the different versions have the features you're looking for. It would require very little input from you, as users could just upload new reviews as they please. Other option would be to do it with some sort of shopping cart software and just ignore the price/selling aspect of it.

Pete

Discussion Starter · #14 · Jul 3, 2007

rs1sensen said:
I really like the idea!

As far as the practicalities of it go...

What about doing it as a Wiki? There are a lot of open source versions, easy to install on your website, and many of the different versions have the features you're looking for. It would require very little input from you, as users could just upload new reviews as they please. Other option would be to do it with some sort of shopping cart software and just ignore the price/selling aspect of it.

I'm thinking about the Wiki because you can add stuff -- or other people can add stuff -- dynamically. I just don't know about search and pictures with a Wiki.

Now, if I can combine Coppermine Photo Gallery with a Wiki ....

I'm still pondering. I'm not married to any one idea.

Pete

Discussion Starter · #15 · Jul 11, 2007

Well, I'm trying the Wiki idea. Template idea -- with real data -- is at http://saxinfo.scribblewiki.com/Selmer-USA. Yes, that's the only page, so far.

I have it set so that you have to log in to edit the page (and this is only to track who's posting stuff), but you should be able to add a discussion page and comment even if you don't wanna log in.

Hurling Frootmig

· #16 · Jul 12, 2007

Interesting. I like the layout and example.

Neil Sharpe

· #17 · Jul 12, 2007

Attractive, practical layout that is easy to read and to navigate.

My only suggestion would be to put the "Blurbage" sections in quotation marks to ensure the reader understands these are not editorial opinions but rather are a company's press releases.

Pete

Discussion Starter · #18 · Jul 12, 2007

Neil Sharpe said:
Attractive, practical layout that is easy to read and to navigate.

My only suggestion would be to put the "Blurbage" sections in quotation marks to ensure the reader understands these are not editorial opinions but rather are a company's press releases.

Yah. It's hardly APA standard format

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I'm fairly positive that I can use alternate colors for the text. I just haven't figured it out, yet. However, the idea is that there's really nothing presented that isn't from the manufacturer's website. I may block off a "commentary" line or some such, tho.

I could explain this on my fairly non-extant Main Page.

Hernan123

· #19 · Jul 12, 2007

If the Wiki allows using HTML tags, you can probably use "blockquote" to enclose the snippets from the original website. (I know Twiki allows this, not sure about Scribble Wiki.)

The site looks like it's going to be a very useful resource. Thanks!

Pete

Discussion Starter · #20 · Jul 13, 2007

Hernan123 said:
If the Wiki allows using HTML tags, you can probably use "blockquote" to enclose the snippets from the original website. (I know Twiki allows this, not sure about Scribble Wiki.)

The site looks like it's going to be a very useful resource. Thanks!

Well, it uses MediaWiki, which is what Wikipedia uses. According to their cheatsheet, there aren't codes for colored text (you can change colors in table backgrounds) and there aren't codes for block text.

However, EVERYONE uses Wikipedia, so if you've done some stuff there, you'll be somewhat familiar with how to use my Wiki (that was my thinking, at least).

I wonder if there's a Wiki that uses BBcode (which is what we use on SOTW) ....

EDIT: I sit corrected. Reference THIS. I'll see if it works!
EDIT 2: Yup. I guess I can try that!

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