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I was searching for her looking for an older YAS 23 or 21 or vito. But she got impatient and went to the cos co website and ordered this horn/ 420 I think with shipping. I expected it to be colorful junk. Its not bad. It sturdy , plays down to Bb and comes with a year warranty for anything that is a problem. (I have no idea where it goes if it needs something done. ) anyway, I was expection a nightmare that I'd have to deal with but the horn plays well for the price. It comes with a selmer C copy piece ( I think the whole horn is a selmer copy) and has some funky stuff going from eb to low C but other than that so far so good. Got her started on long tones and learning the horn . So I'll report if it falls apart but it looks like a low end taiwan horn? K