Boy There is a lot of hype here!!!!!I think I'll wait and get my Yanagisawa SN-981 on nov 12. Snooze you loose!!!!!Guess it's lights out for me!!!! http://cgi.ebay.com/SUGAL-SNOOZE-u-...ryZ16203QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
Hyped up Sugal Sopranino
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MKVI Alto Yani s6/800 sc800 A880 A990B A992 , , Vito duke T991 T5 T901 ul B901
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the build quality is not as good as a yani .I found it to have a nicer tone than the yamaha 62 .I must admit i'm very yani biasis and i loved the 880 soprano i had again needed cash so i sold that one aswell never played a selmer or keilwerth sops so can't say.I would say the sugals are good intermidate horns yes they are from the far east but even Phil Barone is starting to import and rave about them .I also have a Gulf sopranino to try again these are well made and are a yani copy but i must admit i struggle to play sopranino even with my yani mouthpieces HR#5 AND A METAL#5 but i think i,m going to sell it on
http://cgi.ebay.com/SUGAL-S-U-L-S-S...ryZ16232QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Now it is a aterling silver nino!!!!the other one was black laqquer or black nickel plate!!!!SAME PRICE!!!!!Still sticking w/ the Yanagisawa SN-981
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sycc: I just opened the various links to eBay that you provided. Interesting looking sopraninos. The design is OLD unlike modern saxophones. The Sugal model has the bell pads on the upper half of the tube and the palm touches (two, not three) in line like the MKVI and old Conn sops. Meaning that some may not care for the less-than-full keying AND in-line palm touches. I know I don't. But with a 'nino, how high CAN one play and still remain a free man?
It has been a long time since I've seen a MKVI 'nino, but I'm guessing this Sugal 'nino is a Taiwanese (or Chinese) copy of a MKVI.
The left pinky tables weren't shown clearly - I'm also guessing they are not of the tilting design but rather like older saxophones.
All of this isn't bad, just an interesting comparison to the Rampone 'nino I recently oowned - a totally modern design with full keying. DAVE
It has been a long time since I've seen a MKVI 'nino, but I'm guessing this Sugal 'nino is a Taiwanese (or Chinese) copy of a MKVI.
The left pinky tables weren't shown clearly - I'm also guessing they are not of the tilting design but rather like older saxophones.
All of this isn't bad, just an interesting comparison to the Rampone 'nino I recently oowned - a totally modern design with full keying. DAVE
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I have seen a mk vi 'nino within the last week, and this sugal one is almost an exact copy.
The VI 'nino has two side keys, instead of the three shown on the sugal. I have not played it, so I have no idea what they would do, but I would assume that the key is both a middle B-C trill, and High E key, because of the length of the body tube. The table keys also look more comfortably laid out on the VI.
The VI 'nino has two side keys, instead of the three shown on the sugal. I have not played it, so I have no idea what they would do, but I would assume that the key is both a middle B-C trill, and High E key, because of the length of the body tube. The table keys also look more comfortably laid out on the VI.
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ianhart: Yes, the right hand high side keys are probably just like other saxophones - Bb, C, and E3.
There were only two palm keys on the Sugal 'nino, so it does not go up to F3.
The left pinky table wasn't that clear in the Sugal photos to make a judgement about them, but given the older design of the Bb1 and B1 pad cups, I'm guessing the left pinky table is NOT like the most modern designs found these days on other sized saxophones.
This is peculiar to me because almost ALL saxophones being made today have the so-called tilting left pinky table and Bb1/B1 pads on the lower half of the tube. This is one reason why we are no longer seeing new MKVI-clone Bb sopranos, I think. Everyone is geared toward mass producing the modern design and it would probably be a HUGE hassle to change manufacturing equipment to make the older style. DAVE
There were only two palm keys on the Sugal 'nino, so it does not go up to F3.
The left pinky table wasn't that clear in the Sugal photos to make a judgement about them, but given the older design of the Bb1 and B1 pad cups, I'm guessing the left pinky table is NOT like the most modern designs found these days on other sized saxophones.
This is peculiar to me because almost ALL saxophones being made today have the so-called tilting left pinky table and Bb1/B1 pads on the lower half of the tube. This is one reason why we are no longer seeing new MKVI-clone Bb sopranos, I think. Everyone is geared toward mass producing the modern design and it would probably be a HUGE hassle to change manufacturing equipment to make the older style. DAVE
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sycc: Probably so, but what about the rest of the horn? MKV I-style? Modern style?
I'll be interested to read what you say about the Yanagisawa when you receive it. I realize Yanagisawa makes a class product, I'm just curious about the design, having never seen one. DAVE
I'll be interested to read what you say about the Yanagisawa when you receive it. I realize Yanagisawa makes a class product, I'm just curious about the design, having never seen one. DAVE
http://usahorn.com/instView.usa?id=184&inst=Yanagisawa+SN-981+Sopranino+Lacquer Dave Here's the best pics I could find!!!!Mine will arrive at wwbw.com on nov 12 or so. Click on the pics for more detailed pic
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sycc: Thanks. Old design, alright. Amazing. Should play well, though. DAVE
I think that is why it is only priced at $2199 compared to $4200 for a rampone or a whopping $5295 for the s-80 selmer(which I read in another thread that Paul Cohen said it was bright{he likes the VI and other ninos too). So for what I want to use it for;the occainsonal sax trio number w/ my girls or a solo in church it should be fine!!!!Can't see spending $2000 more for the rampone or $3000 more for the selmer for a occainsonal use sax.Dave Dolson said:
Even w/ old style keys the Yani should fit the bill for me. Not to step on toes,but I prefer the big 4 when it comes to saxes escpially the smaller ones. At Yanagisawa you have craftsman that have been there for years versus workers for may have just started learning about sax manufacture at the far east plants. I'll pay the extra $1300 for the Yanagisawa. I know w/ the Yani I'm getting a quality product.
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MrMiyagi: By old-style (MKVI) vs. modern-style (SA80, for example), I wasn't referring to the keywork as much as I was asking about the manner in which the bell pads are suspended (which in turn has to do with the design of the left pinky table).
Most modern sopranos (and some 'ninos) have a tilting left pinky table and thus, the bell pads are on the lower part of the tube, suspended from above.
The MKVI design has the older style left-pinky table and thus the bell pads are above the tube's center-line and suspended from below, just like sopranos had been designed from the beginning.
I don't think it matters except that I found it interesting that a modern factory would continue making the older design (described in my earlier posts). I can play my old 1928 TT sop just as easily as my modern Yanagisawas. My ex-'nino (a Rampone) was of the modern design and had keying all the way to F#3 (not that I dared to play that high!!). DAVE
Most modern sopranos (and some 'ninos) have a tilting left pinky table and thus, the bell pads are on the lower part of the tube, suspended from above.
The MKVI design has the older style left-pinky table and thus the bell pads are above the tube's center-line and suspended from below, just like sopranos had been designed from the beginning.
I don't think it matters except that I found it interesting that a modern factory would continue making the older design (described in my earlier posts). I can play my old 1928 TT sop just as easily as my modern Yanagisawas. My ex-'nino (a Rampone) was of the modern design and had keying all the way to F#3 (not that I dared to play that high!!). DAVE
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