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While trying to determine exactly when my S20 tenor was built, I came across this chart, which is listed on Conn-Selmer's website:

King Serial Number Chart
Date Serial Number
1883-1915 1-50,000
1915-1925 50,000-78,000
1925-1930 78,001-128,000
1930-1935 126,001-161,000
1935-1940 161,001-220,000
1940-1945 220,001-275,000
1945-1950 275,001-305,000
1950-1955 305,001-340,000
1955-1960 340,001 - 370,000
1960-1965 406,501-457,600
1970-1975 457,601-511,750
1975-1980 511,751-850,975
1981-1982 850,976-906-859
1983-1984 906,860-976,571
1985-1986 976,572 - 999,999
100,000 - 159,464

Now, the SN of mine is 454XXX, and according to its previous owner, it is an early '68 Eastlake horn. But, that is not what this chart says; it says:

1960-1965 406,501-457,600

Which means that mine was made somewhere between 1963-64?

Equally, the chart also says:

1970-1975 457,601-511,750

Does this mean that between 1965 and 1970 King did not make any horn?

Any comment, help, or insight is appreciated.
 

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Thanks, Pelez.

According to the HNWhite chart, then it is an early '68 Eastlake horn alright.
 

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Hey..? I've got a really nice playing King Student 665 Empire Alto. Serial 7113901 (yes that's 7 digits). This has the TWIN TOWERS engraved on the bell.

Does anybody know how I can find details, manufacturer & year of birth for these horns which appear to be made after 1986.

I've just finished replacing one spring on this & Joy-oh-Joy a monster emerged from a sleeper. She ROCKS the WALLS now. GROWLLLLLLL......
 

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Hey, thanks for the HN White link. I just picked up my first sax ever, a Cleveland Alto, serial #C129717. Guess that places it in the early 60s then. Neat to know.
 

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There is a mistake with these numbers.
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Note the gap here
1955-1960 340,001 - 370,000
1960-1965 406,501-457,600
i.e. 370,001 - 406,500 is mising.
That meas all later numbers are wrong.
 

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So I have a 4001xx Cleveland Silversonic hmmm. (1959-1960?)
and an Eastlake 4331xx Silversonic (1963-1964?)

Maybe the plants ran concurrent for a while? I have read many places that the early Eastlakes up through around 500xxx were using inventory from Cleveland. I have nothing authortative on this however. Maybe, final assembly and engraving at Eastlake at some point?

Anyone know about the transition with the craftsmen from Cleveland to Eastlake? How many if any made the move?
 
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