[Ruediger Kramer]

i´m invited to play at the vernissage of an large exhibition with greek antiques (the death of pan).

i have a few transcriptions of ancient greek music for the aulos, 5/8 will be a difficult thing for me...

then i´ll play an improvisation in g-minor (or a-blues).


anybody tried such ancient things? (or any suggestions)

thanks
Ruediger Kramer


:?

 

[Ruediger Kramer]

Nobody? Well, not often asked for... (today we tried it there at the museum, and so we do at the 25.08.2007, 13h, here at Duesseldorf, Germany)


:shock:

 

[RootyTootoot]

i´m invited to play at the vernissage of an large exhibition with greek antiques (the death of pan).
i have a few transcriptions of ancient greek music for the aulos, 5/8 will be a difficult thing for me...
then i´ll play an improvisation in g-minor (or a-blues).
:?

I could make a few "amusing" suggestions here but since i'm actually rather interested in this i'm going to play it straight:
What scale is the "ancient greek music" using? What is its source? Will there be anything else happening while you are playing? Will you be playing in the same space that the art is displayed? Is there a web link to the exhibition? I have reasons for these questions and if you've got time to reply that would be great. All the best.

 

[Brendan Muse]

Do lots of bends. I'd be playing aulos music on a soprano, myself. Or two sopranos if you can manage it. Also, keep in mind that there might very well be quarter tones, so be ready to play those on the fly. If there are third tones, play them like quarter. Nobody used to Western music will be able to hear the difference anyway.

As a side note, Adam West's book on Ancient Greek music is a good starting place if you're curious about all this.

 

[Ruediger Kramer]

...i'm actually rather interested in this i'm going to play it straight:
What scale is the "ancient greek music" using? What is its source? Will there be anything else happening while you are playing? Will you be playing in the same space that the art is displayed? Is there a web link to the exhibition? I have reasons for these questions and if you've got time to reply that would be great. All the best.

1. the ancient greek music, i´ll play, is in the scale of Bb minor, D major (transciptions). the improvisation, i´ll play, is in the hypolydian-key (like a-blues or g-minor).

2. one of the the sources: http://www.amazon.de/Documents-Ancient-Greek-Music-Transcribed/dp/019815223X/ref=sr_1_1/303-3835132-5745803?ie=UTF8&s=books-intl-de&qid=1186438762&sr=8-1

3. same space...

4. i´m only playing...

5. link: http://www.schloss-benrath.de/en/portal_stiftung/neuigkeiten.asp?data_id=147&data_art=EXIB&data_ort=&data_date_von=1.1.1999&suchtext=&seite=1

thanks for your good wishes.

 

[RootyTootoot]

Interesting. Thank you. I understand ( though i could be mixed up here) that music in ancient greece tended to accompany other actions eg dance/drama/procession etc I was wondering if there was any dramatic or visual element in what you will do, aside from the art itself being present? The other aspect that stuck me was the "blues" thing that you mention. I would have thought that the danger would lie in creating an improvisation that is too much like a 20th century blues. This might be too comfortable for the listeners and would put the art (possibly??) in a slightly misleading context. Are these issues you had to consider in you preparations? Please understand i'm asking because I'm interested in your project rather than because I'd like to pick holes in it!! All the best.

 

[Nefertiti]

I don't even know what an aulos is!:shock: I do know where Greece is though!

 

[Ruediger Kramer]

Do lots of bends. I'd be playing aulos music on a soprano, myself. Or two sopranos if you can manage it. Also, keep in mind that there might very well be quarter tones, so be ready to play those on the fly. If there are third tones, play them like quarter. Nobody used to Western music will be able to hear the difference anyway.

As a side note, Adam West's book on Ancient Greek music is a good starting place if you're curious about all this.

thank you very much for your good hints...

(i know West´s book)

 

[Ruediger Kramer]

I would have thought that the danger would lie in creating an improvisation that is too much like a 20th century blues. This might be too comfortable for the listeners and would put the art (possibly??) in a slightly misleading context. Are these issues you had to consider in you preparations? Please understand i'm asking because I'm interested in your project rather than because I'd like to pick holes in it!! All the best.

yes, i understand: everybody says it sounds very ancient (not like blues).

 

[kavala]

This might give you some ideas.

Not strictly Greek, but was a live concert in Greece.

A lot of Greek music is similar however.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nl8_l4krHo8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_qn4wXeS-I

The music in the background of these clips is Greek.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLKXb_uB5uU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVBjHbiDSjc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-8IJfSwdhc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ymdjwvc0bMQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XsiAWuz5RA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9oyAj7ZVfg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIz9zrF7UAE

 

[Ruediger Kramer]

This might give you some ideas.

Not strictly Greek, but was a live concert in Greece.

A lot of Greek music is similar however.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nl8_l4krHo8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_qn4wXeS-I

The music in the background of these clips is Greek.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLKXb_uB5uU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVBjHbiDSjc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-8IJfSwdhc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ymdjwvc0bMQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XsiAWuz5RA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9oyAj7ZVfg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIz9zrF7UAE

thanks, but that is not the thing i´m working on...


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[Bernards20040]

As a side note, Adam West's book on Ancient Greek music is a good starting place if you're curious about all this.

The Guy who played "Batman" wrote a book on ancient greek music:?

 

[Ruediger Kramer]

The Guy who played "Batman" wrote a book on ancient greek music:?

i appreciate the comedians....

 

[Brendan Muse]

The Guy who played "Batman" wrote a book on ancient greek music:?

He's quite the Renaissance man.