Totally.Conclusion: there's no simple question or simple answer in this world. The answer is always 'It's different in different situations'.
It doesn't. Here's why. written music is a log scale, frequency (Hz) is a linear scale.Not sure, I haven't really tested it. Like hak said, with two at the same time, I can usually tell if they're at the same time. At different times, if lts's test is accurate, I can tell at 1.5Hz but not .75, if that means anything.
From you original post, it sounds as if you're "trying" to train to discern "perfect pitch" which if other posts I've read are true, you either have it or don't and those who have it have it prior to their (3rd or 5th?) birthday.I started again on concentrating on my intonation some time ago. And it was very frustrating. To do this, I started to work with tuners. What I realise is, that there are pitch deviations (?) which my tuner shows, but which I don't hear. The area of plus/minus 10 Cents I am not able to hear. I orientate myself "optically" by using the two red lights (Flat and sharp) of my tuner, until only the green light is on. Is this something I can train? And how would I do that?
PS: I am convinced, that is best, not to depend on using a tuner too often. But as long as I am not able to detect the pitch accurately enough, I think there is no way around...
or they stop playing;-) the question remains: how do they develop their ears. For instance: everybody "can" sing, but most people don't have good intonation when singing. Myself included. I am Not sure if my ears would develop automatically if I sung more.i think string players naturally develop really accurate ears.
That's true, I guess the quesiton is whether string players have good ears becaues they trained themselves that way or whether only good ears players remain after bad ones drop out.or they stop playing;-) the question remains: how do they develop their ears. For instance: everybody "can" sing, but most people don't have good intonation when singing. Myself included. I am Not sure if my ears would develop automatically if I sung more.i think string players naturally develop really accurate ears.
Yes, you can train for this. The simplist way is to play or sing along with root-fith-octave drone. You can make that with a synth, but much easier to simply buy the Tuning CD. Use it for a month and you will see a huge improvement. Also, it seems your tuner is not very accurate. Most tuners are made for guitarists and what you really want is a Peterson or similar. They are far more accurate.Is this something I can train? And how would I do that?
At least one advantage of getting older ;-)I find as I get older my hearing of pitch gets better and better.
I don't think it can be at all definitive. It shows a skill at being able to tell when a tone bar is 1 cent sharp or flat, but IMO no indication whatsoever of whether somebody is qualified to play in an ensemble.One test that a former director used for entrance to the Wind Ensemble was that he had a series of 5 tone bars, like a mini vibraphone, 438 hz, 439, 440, 441, and 442. At your audition, he would play a series of them and ask, for each pair, which was higher or lower. If you could discern 1 hz difference, it helped your chances of making the ensemble, as he was VERY picky about playing in tune. So, I know that I can pretty readily hear that 441 is higher than 440, when the two are played consecutively.
Not sure that it's a definitive test, by any means, but it provided him with one more data point on each auditionee.
To me they sound the same, only different in volume.I wonder how many people can tell what is happening in this soundclip without using a tuner.