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How deep is the animosity between legit and jazz sax teachers, really?

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Hey folks,

this actually kept me up last night, so I hope it's an interesting topic and not just some strange projection of my own.

If you've been following the recent thread--started by Master.America--on the "mouthpiece trick," you may be wondering, like I am, just how deep the animosity between the legit and the jazz schools on key issues like intonation, tone production, etc. really is.

I have no training in either school, although I have a sense that there's a kind of historic division between jazz and classical. I do, however, have a good ear for the kind of spleen major "academic" rifts tend to produce. And, when I see (sorry fellas, no offense intended at all) John and Grumps go at it over this issue, I'm pretty sure I recognize something from my own field.

So how deep is it? What are the key issues? Who are the names to conjure with? What are the fighting words? It would seem that "proper" tone production technique is a key battlefield, but what does it mean to experts and other people "in the know" when, for example, somebody says Dave Liebman, or Santy Runyon, or, indeed, when an innocent naif mentions Rascher?

Rory

ps. If I'm way off base, feel free to kick my **s: I'm used to it;)
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There are some gifted players who are great performers and teachers in both styles of playing. One of these is Dr. Ray Smith who teaches at BYU. He studied classical saxophone with Eugene Rousseau, but is also a tremendous jazz player.

Give a listen to track 2 in this link:http://www.amazon.com/Tableaux-Prov...ef=sr_1_2/103-9318987-8160658?ie=UTF8&s=music

This is also Ray at this link: https://tantararecords.securesites.com/mp3/QD3/QD3_6.mp3

Most of my ideas about mouthpiece pitch and concepts of sound, I learned from Dr. Smith in lessons and by listening to him perform. Both jazz and classical playing have different attributes that can be learned and taught. One is not right and the other wrong, they are simply different approaches to produce an entirely different concept of sound. I think the animosity arises when a player in one style has no experience or understanding of the other.

John
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