Sax on the Web Forum banner
1 - 17 of 17 Posts

·
Registered
Joined
·
778 Posts
Discussion Starter · #1 ·
High F, F# are clear every time. That high G still eludes me. What fingering are real 10M players using on vintage 10Ms?

Suggestions?
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,131 Posts
Just the front F key, possibly with side Bb if it seems to like it. High G especially is all about voicing. Can you get a high G from a low C fingering? Work up to it that way first and you will be able to hit it anytime, any horn, with any number of fingerings.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
778 Posts
Discussion Starter · #4 ·
Hmmmmmmmmmm..........High G from low C fingering? "Nope." As to the one you both agree upon: You mean the right-hand index (front F), the lower right-hand palm key (side Bb) + the octave key. REALLY?!!?

Wow.....what a sound! Lights are turning on. Not in my head......the neighborhood.......think I best wait till morning.

Thanks guys. I'll experiment in tomorrow's daylight and report back.
 

·
Distinguished SOTW Member/Technician
Joined
·
21,321 Posts
I don't know about it on the 10M but on most of my horns I get it by using the Octave key, front F and right hand (fisrt finger) F. I add the low C and Bb keys on most of my altissimo notes to make it speak a bit easier.
 

·
Distinguished SOTW Member, Forum Contributor 2011
Joined
·
1,124 Posts
On my 10M just front F and octave does it. But I really had to work on the voicing - without practicing overtones you won't get anything. So the advice to start with playing the overtones from low C on is a valid one. Don't expect to hit that G right away when you start doing that though - the higher harmonics are hard to get to initially.
 

·
Out of Office
Grafton + TH & C alto || Naked Lady 10M || TT soprano || Martin Comm III
Joined
·
30,105 Posts
Hmmmmmmmmmm..........High G from low C fingering? "Nope." As to the one you both agree upon: You mean the right-hand index (front F), the lower right-hand palm key (side Bb) + the octave key. REALLY?!!?
I imagine people mean the aux F, iethe key above the LH B key thatyou would normally use in conjunction with the B key to play a high F.

use this key on its own for the G, ie without the LH1 B. But add the side Bb if necessary.

Altissimo fingerings and charts:

http://tamingthesaxophone.com/saxophone-altissimo.html
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
778 Posts
Discussion Starter · #10 ·
Now that the sun is up, I'm not alarming the neighbors into the streets, I've tried everyone's suggestions:

Everyone aimed at Front F with side Bb and octave key and particularly those playing 10M including Grumps, JazzHouse, but for Rennie who said she plays a 10M but uses only the Front F and octave key(!!) Wow. The latter gave me F# consistently. I'd like to know what piece you are using Rennie. But the other 10M players who added the side Bb worked for me. The side Bb seems to add stability to the tone.....at least for my mouth and piece (a Barone modified STM New York Link).

A critical piece of information from Pete Thomas made everyone else's remarks make sense....."aux F".....so now I'm getting high G consistently (yes, jumping up and down). Though it was no help in playing high G, I particularly enjoyed whaler's trenchant observation. Ah...the missing notes from history.

Mystery solved. Thank you Pete and thank you everyone. (Re-newed love for my 10M and all my fellow SOTWers.....Rennie, your mouthpiece?)
 

·
Distinguished SOTW Member
Joined
·
3,202 Posts
One thing to add - I (and some other people better than me) find that the front f with side Bb works better without the octave key. I also find high f# works better without the octave key. This for Selmers as well as the 10m.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
778 Posts
Discussion Starter · #12 ·
Glad you added that bstrom. I will try it. The F# fingering you use is what? Fingering I use is LEFT HAND: finger1, finger 3; RIGHT HAND: finger1, finger4 on the D# and yes I hold down the octave key. The result is a clear, fast speaking, steady and singing F# that can take a lot of air or a little. Sweet.

Okay......just tried both your suggestions. As regards high G, at least on my 10M, I must hold down the octave key, else high G dissolves like cotton candy in a blowtorch.

The result for F#, however, is like bullet proof. It doesn't matter whether I use the octave key or not. So that's a discovery. Thanks!

I've one other 10M issue, but will start a thread for it.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
8,442 Posts
If you can't keep the altissimo simple, good luck actually playing any kind of lines up there.
Some of the fingerings you guys are using don't seem very practical.
This is all you really need;
Music Font Parallel Rectangle Screenshot
 

·
Distinguished SOTW Member, Forum Contributor 2011
Joined
·
1,124 Posts
-88-, my mouthpiece is a HR Otto Link 7* 'Phil-Tone'ized, Rigotti 3,5 reeds. Whaler, thanks for the fingering chart - it will be interesting to see how these will work as alternatives for the fingerings I use (especially G#, what a pain that note is).
 

·
Distinguished SOTW Member
Joined
·
1,877 Posts
One thing to add - I (and some other people better than me) find that the front f with side Bb works better without the octave key. I also find high f# works better without the octave key. This for Selmers as well as the 10m.
I agree , no octave key the sound is bigger. I owned 10M s same thing, I am now on a chu berry.
 
1 - 17 of 17 Posts
Top