Sax on the Web Forum banner

1 - 16 of 16 Posts

·
Registered
Joined
·
4 Posts
Discussion Starter #1
I received my ARB Custom #5 the other day and I'm having trouble producing a steady tone from it. There's lots of resistance and any sound that comes out is very stuffy and squeaky. This is the first metal mouthpiece I've ever tried (been using a C* for the entirety of my playing).

I've tried Vandoren Red box Javas 2 1/2 and a 2 1/2 Legere with no luck. Is there any thing I need to keep in mind when transitioning to a larger tip opening and higher baffle? Is it possible that my chops just aren't strong enough to provide steady airflow? Thanks in advance.
 

·
Distinguished SOTW Member
TENOR, soprano, alto, baritone
Joined
·
7,431 Posts
You have made a significant jump and the 5* is going to take more air and embouchure development. If, for example, you were using 2 1/2 on the C*, you would probably have to start with a 1 1/2 or 1 (if you can find it) on the 5* and work up over a period of months to the 2 1/2 or higher.
 

·
Distinguished Member, Forum Contributor 2015-2016
Joined
·
2,617 Posts
Right a softer reed would help. I have a metal arb and those pieces feel different then other mouthpieces I never got used to it but ive played gigs and recorded with one . I hardly use it anymore
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
4 Posts
Discussion Starter #4
If, for example, you were using 2 1/2 on the C*, you would probably have to start with a 1 1/2 or 1 (if you can find it) on the 5* and work up over a period of months to the 2 1/2 or higher.
I do usually use Blue Box Vandoren 3s, it just so happens that I tried the Javas since they're the softest reed on hand. Since Ricos are typically softer than Vandorens, are there any soft varieties of Ricos that would go well with the ARB?
 

·
Distinguished SOTW Member
TENOR, soprano, alto, baritone
Joined
·
7,431 Posts
No way of telling what you could handle but we know it has to be softer than what you have tried. Probably a Rico 1 1/2.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
866 Posts
A 5 opening on a jazz mpc with a shorter facing isn't that radical of a departure from a Cstar. There's some weird Juju with the Beechler metals. Some people sound great on them and the majority of us souond horrible.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
81 Posts
I had ARB with bad facing - sent back to Judy Beechler (very nice person)
and she sent me another one - still no good !!
Theo worked on it (way back several years ago) - still no good
(a chirpy, dangerous mouthpiece) - it is in the drawer, never to be played in public.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
5,901 Posts
I received my ARB Custom #5 the other day and I'm having trouble producing a steady tone from it. There's lots of resistance and any sound that comes out is very stuffy and squeaky. This is the first metal mouthpiece I've ever tried (been using a C* for the entirety of my playing).

I've tried Vandoren Red box Javas 2 1/2 and a 2 1/2 Legere with no luck. Is there any thing I need to keep in mind when transitioning to a larger tip opening and higher baffle? Is it possible that my chops just aren't strong enough to provide steady airflow? Thanks in advance.
You do need help if you're playing a Beechler.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,735 Posts
Go to a #2 Select or equivalent. Thin down the spine and the sides a little with some rush, sand paper, or a scraper/razor blade. If its still hard blowing, you may have a leak around the cork. Old neck cork can become out-of-round, and not fit a new mouthpiece. Old corks can also leak between the cork and the neck. I discovered this when trying to compare mouthpieces, and the infinite numbers of mouthpiece diameters out there. Evidently, there's a competition to avoid a standard bore size...:)
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
866 Posts
I bought my Bellite tenor new at a great price online. It was chirpy and brittle right out of the box so I sent it back to Remle. Their product specialist called me and told me that they made some changes to it and that I was going to be real happy with it. It was still chirpy and brittle. I had other players try it also and they sounded the same as me, chirpy and brittle. I've had this Bellite Mouthpiece for 2 years now and on occasion I'll get it out, look at it and try it again. There's nothing radical about the design of this mouthpiece either although the side rails are thick. I thought about putting it on EBay but I think it's unethical to pass along something that just doesn't work musically. I'd consider a refacer but then again it may be throwing away good money at bad.
 

·
Distinguished SOTW Member/Forum Contributor 2010
Joined
·
3,310 Posts
I do usually use Blue Box Vandoren 3s, it just so happens that I tried the Javas since they're the softest reed on hand. Since Ricos are typically softer than Vandorens, are there any soft varieties of Ricos that would go well with the ARB?
D'addario/ Rico Select Jazz "2 soft" or orange box 1.5 or 2 as a cheap way to see if a soft reed helps.

A long time ago I went from a Selmer S80 C* to a Beechler 6 (not an ARB, the regular metal one), and it played easily with great tone once I found a soft enough reed (RSJ 2S). In the end I moved on as I had some intonation issues between it and my horn that I never could get past, but I still get it out now and then for the lovely easy fat tone on the low notes and the ridiculously easy paint stripping altissimo. It was within touching distance of being a fantastic piece...
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
866 Posts
Canadian, you have an older model Bellite 6 alto which happens to be the one that players want. They changed the rails on the new models along with some other changes to make their current paper weight. Put your Bellite on EBay!
 

·
Distinguished SOTW Member/Forum Contributor 2010
Joined
·
3,310 Posts
Canadian, you have an older model Bellite 6 alto which happens to be the one that players want. They changed the rails on the new models along with some other changes to make their current paper weight. Put your Bellite on EBay!
I dont think mine is 80s vintage. Ill have to dig it out of the sock drawer and see if it has the vertical stripes on the table noted in a recent thread. It is stamped on the table (as a 6, although it measures closer to a 7), do they still do that? Also, I think the older ones had chrome finished ligs and mine was black powdercoat, with a black alloy cap. Besides, Im not sure I want to sell it, I still have delusions of one day taming the tuning (or more likely finding a different alto that I can play it in tune on)
 
1 - 16 of 16 Posts
Top