[LiAm84]

I've recently been trying the tune Invitation but am strugling with some of the 'dominant 7th b9 b5' chords.

The first 8 bars of the sequence for tenor that I have written in my fake book is:

Dm7 / / / - Dm7 / / / - Dm7 / / / - Dm7 / / / -
Dm7 / / / - G7 / / / - C13 b9 b5 / / / - C13 b9 b5 / / /

Ive been treating the Dm7-G7-C13b9b5 as a ii-V-i
I really can't find any thing to fit over that C13 b9 b5 chord.
Ive tried playing it as a normal dominant 7th and that doesnt work. Diminished scale doenst sound any good and neither does alt scale. It doesnt even sound like a C chord to my ears on the aebersold play along I have. (I only have the play along track and not the actual book with chords)
The only thing that sounds ok is if I play augmented triads from the root and the 9th giving a whole tone type sound. Can anybody suggest how to tackle this chord? Is my sequence correct? Any advice.... I play in a boppy style normally... lots of chord tones and approach notes but it doesnt seem to work for me over this tune! thanks

 

[Bunny Stewart]

There is a good chance that your fake book chart has different changes than what the band is playing on the Aebersold recording, but if you treat the C7 chord as V of F minor, I can't see how you'd go wrong.

 

[jamiejazz]

It is usually a diminished scale-C13b9 (diminished whole tone would be wrong as it would imply b13 which wouldn't fit the melody).

The 2 bars of C13b9 are followed by an Fmin chord. I play-
1 bar c13b9 (dim scale) (try playing AMaj triad)
1 bar c13 b9 b13 (super locrian) (try playing AbMaj triad)

The 2nd bar is more tense and moves swiftly to the Fmin chord. This is common with dominants. The trick is thinking about individual movements of guide tones, not just scales.

Jamie O'D

 

[LiAm84]

Hey... thanks Jamie and Bunny. I'll give those a try out!
I've been trying to learn this tune after watching this youtube video of an Italian tenor player:

SERIOUS Chops!!!!!!!

Im trying to transcribe and learn the first half of his solo (before they go double tempo feel). It may take me some time though! thanks again...

 

[TJS]

I think you answered your own question. After you transcribe the solos you want, write it out with the chord changes over and analyze what they are playing. Also, check out Joe Henderson's version on Tetragon.

 

[saxomophone101]

Jamiejazz - I love the suggestions for triads (Amaj triad over C13b9, etc.). Is there a reference (book, website) with more ideas for playing triads or perhaps pentatonic scales over the various flavors of dominants or even other harmonies?