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So, who here snagged it for $10,200+? ;)

(Plus over $1,800 for the auction fee, plus maybe taxes. Well over $12,000 for sure.)

Wherever it ends up, it would be fun to learn more about its true condition and outcome (and whether there was a flute hiding under the clarinet, or if the Link and neck that appeared to have been sitting in a swampy basement were salvageable, and so on). At that price it seems like a bit of a gamble for anyone other than a person with the ability to refurbish it themselves.

Fun discussion, in any case鈥攖hanks, all, and thanks to the OP for turning us on to this.
A huge gamble indeed. I think the serial numbers may match after all - the body could be a 3 or a 5 in that bad photo and I'm leaning towards 3.
If it does turn out to be original lacquer, whoever gambled big will win big. I think it has a good chance of being original.
Those Brilhart ligs are rare as hens teeth these days so I expect to see them listed separately for big bucks.

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Not me! They said they have to charge tax, so it will be $13002 total price for whoever bought it. That's about right for original lacquer needing overhaul, but that's really a lot for a nice, clean factory relacquer. Hopefully a player got it and doesn't care about that sort of thing.
 

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I'm with @GetASax on this one. I'm also not sure why the onus is on experts to prove a relacquer instead of the other way around. The vast majority of vintage horns are refinished so people claiming it's original are already on the wrong side of probability. Also what would make you say this horn is original? Not the engraving, not the clarity of stamps, not the lacquer condition, not the case condition, not the metal corrosion. It's maybe the lacquer color but even that isn't totally correct. 馃し馃徎鈥嶁檪锔
 

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Its original. No, I didn't try to get it, and I'm looking at the same pictures you are. And, I won't explain why it is original. I'm tired of explaining things to you lot.
 

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Wow, it didn't take long, did it?
That's a good profit right there, if it sells anywhere close to this price. Highly skeptical...

I'd be curious to hear Jaice and Brian's opinion on the lacquer again, now that the listing shows dozens of close up pictures. In my non-expert opinion it does look like a very good (factory?) relacquer.
 

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Wow, it didn't take long, did it?
That's a good profit right there, if it sells anywhere close to this price. Highly skeptical...

I'd be curious to hear Jaice and Brian's opinion on the lacquer again, now that the listing shows dozens of close up pictures. In my non-expert opinion it does look like a very good (factory?) relacquer.
"This horn is undisputably original lacquer with beautiful highly elaborate original factory engravings! The horn is right on and has just the right look, color, tone, hue as this exact era SBA should. As I graze my hands over top the engravings they are deep to the touch and feel just right."

There you have it. It says so right there - "indisputable" (they don't know Grumps).

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"This horn is undisputably original lacquer with beautiful highly elaborate original factory engravings! The horn is right on and has just the right look, color, tone, hue as this exact era SBA should. As I graze my hands over top the engravings they are deep to the touch and feel just right."

There you have it. It says so right there - "indisputable" (they don't know Grumps).

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That's a funny statement from a seller that offers another original SBA in similar condition for $149,000. That's an expensive line up of $120,000 accessories that he is including in the latter offering.

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Jaice that one's real pretty. Looks like a lot of the lacquer has worn off the engraving?

The photos I took of my near-mint SBA in a photo tent with bright lights look a lot like the photos in the listing (probably a similar photo setup).

I tried with a white backdrop-
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My horn is absolutely 100% original lacquer, but even in outside sunlight it was hard to show it in photos. I'm sure some people would still argue its originality if they just saw the photos.

It really takes an in-person inspection from someone who really knows vintage saxes.
 

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what makes me think that horn is a relacquer is because you can see in many places small bits of the engraving poking through with corrosion , as opposed to a uniform corrosion throughout the engraving line as the one Jaice showed. this indicates to me that there is lacquer over the engraving. here is my mint (I believe all original) 59k VI w/ american engraving for comparison. as you can see the zigzag engraving is uniformly darkened with corrosion.

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When it comes to whether or not the lacquer is original, I guess it really only matters what the buyer and their designated specialist think.
 

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When it comes to whether or not the lacquer is original, I guess it really only matters what the buyer and their designated specialist think.
True at time of sale. But this could become a headache if days later someone else convinces/demonstrates to the buyer he was mislead.
 

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what makes me think that horn is a relacquer is because you can see in many places small bits of the engraving poking through with corrosion , as opposed to a uniform corrosion throughout the engraving line as the one Jaice showed. this indicates to me that there is lacquer over the engraving. here is my mint (I believe all original) 59k VI w/ american engraving for comparison. as you can see the zigzag engraving is uniformly darkened with corrosion.

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Daaaaaaaamn Guto, that鈥檚 a beaut! Let me know if you ever sell that thing!
 

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Daaaaaaaamn Guto, that鈥檚 a beaut! Let me know if you ever sell that thing!
Thanks. It's like new. Not likely to ever sell, but I do believe everything has a price tag. Would $149,000 do it?
 

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The thing about a really good factory relacquer, is that they didn't buff the engraving, and they relacquered with the correct color and style of lacquer. And they repaded with the correct pads. As I said, it's hard to be 100% sure, but it still looks like a nice, clean factory relacquer to me. There's a roughness to the surface texture of the lacquer, light buffing of engraving in places vs original (which tends to be very sharp), lots of lacquer in the engraving, and the neck serial is still far too lightly stamped (which is a bit of a tell, as that's a place they might not be careful not to buff). The engraving/lacquer still looks about the same as it did in the old auction photos.
 
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