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Hi, I just bough a nice bronze berg for bari 110/2/sm now engraved/marked VII on the side. This piece as been retouch by Sielbold a german refacer. I play with a RJS 2H filed. The piece play very well and even, but I found there is alway a "ring" or bright sound as back sound (difficult to describe), that come hard and harsh if pushed, for the rest it have a nice meaty sound, slapping or punching the note are very easy. what can cause this, and how to correct this. Thanks!
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If it's what I think it is (and I think I know what you mean as I've had plenty of metal Bergs in my time), then it's a part of the sound you get with that mouthpiece. It's a characteristic of that kind of baffle when pushed.

Trying different reeds may help a bit, but any difference in tone from reed will also affect the sound when less pushed, and as you like that sound, it defeats the object.
 

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Thanks for the respons Pete, Yes I know what you mean also, but in this case (I play a berg metal on tenor for more than 20 years) I suspect that it can be not balanced (but i'm not a specialist). I found this caracteristic (2 times) on some refaced Berg. I suspect also that it can be a false #2, so the baffle are a bit higher???, but to my eye both Berg bari I have seem the same. I have a Mojo refaced bari SS 100/2/sms, that doesn't have this partial high that sound a bit brittle. Au contraire, it sound full, bright but not overly bright.
 

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thanks Grumps, This is what I was thinking, but he doesn't work anymore with hard metal and I remember he was saying the bronze from Berg, being very hard.
 

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thanks Grumps, This is what I was thinking, but he doesn't work anymore with hard metal and I remember he was saying the bronze from Berg, being very hard.
I just heard from Ed Pillinger about a bronze Berg he regretted saying he would work on. Although it would probably be a good option for you, I doubt you'll find a good refacer prepared to do this. But best of luck if you do!
 

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My best and what can help me,are the fact that it is already reface, table seem very flat, rail clean, and it play very well except that upper zing that bother me just a bit. Maybe as you suggest I can try the reed route. What do you think about the Lavoz for the Berg metal, or any else suggestion!
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Hi and thanks again to both, Pete i'm not sure you gonna like the "very thing". You are right about the synthetic, especialy the legere. But I found it lack something in the sound with the legere, it's like if you cut some harmonic. Strangely, ligature choice make also difference. I have not bad result with 3 band metal selmer (silver) or strap one. Also thin down the reed help to darken the sound a bit (strangely) and ad some warm. This particuliar bari, doesn't like when you push too much air in it. same for harder reed, that force to push harder. i think of low down a bit the baffle, but as i'm not an expert, i'M afraid to ruin the piece. Mojo do you remember what you done on my old Berg, do you keep record of your old facing work done. maybe this can help. I very like this Berg but at .098" it is a tad too close.
 
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