Sax on the Web Forum banner

1 - 18 of 18 Posts

·
Registered
Joined
·
244 Posts
Discussion Starter #1
Hi,

SN 77xxx Superba I tenor sax staring bid is $1450. Too much or just right. Condition listed as very good.

thanks
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
243 Posts
Your not gonna find a better horn with all thid MarkVI mania I think these horns our overlooked and although there are lots of Keilwerth stencils out there these horns are steps ahead and rare maybe 20, coufs produced
It's a bigger bore than most so it might seem a little strange at first but most guys that have these don't even look for horns
 

·
Distinguished SOTW Member, Forum Contributor 2015-
Joined
·
32,936 Posts
tsaxy said:
Belay value post. Bought a SX90R Keilwerth tenor.
"Belay" or "Disregard"?

Nevermind.
 

·
Researcher, Teacher and Horn Revitalizer, Forum Co
Joined
·
3,505 Posts
Pgraves said:
"Maybe 20 produced" Where did you get that information?
i was curious about that too

maybe 20 years worth of Couf horns produced. which makes them less rare
but then DJH horns, which are JK, which are Couf horns are a bit more rare as they only had a few years of production, but still the same (approximate, with some keywork mods) horns.


but hey .... as Dr G would say .. nevermind - he bought a SX90R
 

·
Distinguished SOTW Member
Joined
·
6,862 Posts
This is slightly off topic, but has anybody else spent any dreaming about owning the Couf tenor Matt Stohrer has on his website? I don't know anything about these horns apart from what I've read here and there on SotW, but it seems to me that when Matt's done that will be about as nice a tenor sax as you could ever want.

Rory

ps. sh-boom sh-boom, la-da-da da-da-da da-da-da da da da ...
 

·
Researcher, Teacher and Horn Revitalizer, Forum Co
Joined
·
3,505 Posts
I absolutely love Couf tenors - their flexbility is fantastic. BUT i sold mine becz of the RH ergos .... yes, it was that bad for me. I have fused bones in my wrist and I don't have too much flexibility. I A/Bed with a Selmer and I could play so much faster with the Selmer. I had owned Couf tenors for a couple decades - no wonder i never play my couf alto (i have a Couf and Selmer alto too).
 

·
Distinguished SOTW Member
Joined
·
6,862 Posts
Hey Steve,
I just checked out your photos--that MarkVII is a beauty.

What do you mean exactly about the right hand ergos on the Couf? Is it the thumbrest type/position? Or is it the keys?

This is a kind of commonplace, I guess, but I find the left hand ergos of the MarkVII hard to deal with--that pinky cluster is huge!

Rory
 

·
Researcher, Teacher and Horn Revitalizer, Forum Co
Joined
·
3,505 Posts
the VII LH table keys are wide. but i place my pinky in a small area next to each key - on all horns. so my pinky does not move much .... just so much visual area to possibly put your pinky.

The VII tenor key was originally built with too much gap between the keys. the later ones dn't have that gap - they shortened the tabs between the keys. the early VIIs you have to move your pinky alot (but i shortened the tabs on mine so it's a shorter movement)

on my Couf tenors it was basically this
the thumb rest was 1inch too high. i put a spacer in it which positioned my hand much better to the DEF touches and RH pinky. RH pinky was perfect. But then i also noticed that the thumbrest was too far left. i created a temporary thumb thing to move my thumb around. but no matter where i put it there was something wrong here or there - side keys, pinky keys, DEF side/top F#.

I really didn't notice this much over the years - in HighSchool everyone played Coufs (except my main alto was a Selmer) - my tenor was a Couf - school horns were Coufs (mr coufs store didn't sell any Selmers either).

i never really noticed any speed diff until i tried playing flight of the bumblebee on tenor - i play it at about twice the written tempo. i've always played it on my selmer alto & clarinet. but i all of a sudden could not play the RH fast. strange eh ? I had a SBA in at the time and A/B the two. I could out play myself on the selmer (hey, plus the tone was legendary SBA). i then ABd Selmer copies and found that my RH was faster on those too.

I then pulled out my altos and had he same issue. the RH problem is there on the alto too though not as prevalent as on the tenor. I could outplay my couf alto with my Selmer.

BUT my wrists and arms have fused bones in them. for instance, i could never wait on tables becz i cannot hold a tray flat at shoulder level (neither can my kids). so i have less flexibility than most.

i'm sure if you searched the Couf section here you can find the thread - from a couple years ago.
 

·
Distinguished SOTW Member
Joined
·
6,862 Posts
Thanks Steve!

I've been digging into that Couf/Keilwerth forum, but I better stop before i get GAS!

Rory
 

·
Researcher, Teacher and Horn Revitalizer, Forum Co
Joined
·
3,505 Posts
btw, I really miss the other keywork and tonal qualities of the Couf. The VII, for some reason, is more SBAish. yeah, weird - maybe that's what i want it to sound like and i'm hearing something different.

i have been debating ever since on getting a Couf as a backup horn .... i must be insane
 

·
Researcher, Teacher and Horn Revitalizer, Forum Co
Joined
·
3,505 Posts
actually I also prefer the non-articulating LH table keys of hte Couf. It's small, and fast. I can outplay my Selmers in this area.

The Couf uses more simplistic keywork there too - no C# closing mechanism - if you have a lazy pinky and hit the C# and B/Bb then you will open the C# too.

But I was taught on a Couf Royalist II, so i never had an issue with non-articulating and stuff keywork. I prefer the simplier designs. wish I could put the SBA table keys on my VII (i prefer them over the VI table keys)

hmm .. wish i could afford and SBA ..
 

·
Distinguished SOTW Member
Joined
·
4,544 Posts
stevesklar said:
FYI,

The selmers etc have offset stack keys. The RH stack is offset towards the hand.

THe JK has straight stacks. the RH is not offset and are in a line to the top stack
This has been the killer for me on JK horns...I have some elbow and shoulder issues, and I'm surprised at how much the offset lower stack helps on all horns. Most of my remaining JK horns have relocated/replaced thumb hooks and some epoxy buildups, but it's still not as good as the Yamahas and Yanis. Love the sound still, though...
 
1 - 18 of 18 Posts
Top