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Like the title says does anyone know what Grover Washington Jr's setup was for tenor?
 

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What did he use for alto and soprano? He had one of the most interesting sounds in all of recorded music.
 

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I also read he played Keilwerth horns...

Keilwerth and Couf are the same horns.
 

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J.Max said:
Keilwerth and Couf are the same horns.
They are made by the same company, but there are different models. Towards the end of his career, I believe Grover played a Keilwirth SX-90, (or SX-90R), with the black nickel finish..........
 

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wersax said:
They are made by the same company, but there are different models. Towards the end of his career, I believe Grover played a Keilwirth SX-90, (or SX-90R), with the black nickel finish..........
That is to explain for that tenor I saw him on stage with I have always wondered. I always thought it was a Lacquer horn and the lights made it look like it was Black Lacquer finish.
 

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Wersax, I'm not quite clear on your comment that Keilwerth and Couf horns were "different models". It's my understanding that the mid-70's Keilwerth Toneking Specials and the Couf Superba 1s were very virtually identical horns -subject, of course, to custom orders such as RTH compared to STH- right down to the bell engraving.

Couf Superba 1s also were available in a black nickel finish. Sarge at worldwidesax.com has an example of one in his "Personal Collection"
http://www.worldwidesax.com/sarges_collection.htm

and there's one currently for sale on the German Ebay
http://cgi.ebay.com/Tenor-sax-Couf-...yZ114434QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
 

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Neil Sharpe said:
Wersax, I'm not quite clear on your comment that Keilwerth and Couf horns were "different models". It's my understanding that the mid-70's Keilwerth Toneking Specials and the Couf Superba 1s were very virtually identical horns -subject, of course, to custom orders such as RTH compared to STH- right down to the bell engraving.

Couf Superba 1s also were available in a black nickel finish. Sarge at worldwidesax.com has an example of one in his "Personal Collection"
http://www.worldwidesax.com/sarges_collection.htm

and there's one currently for sale on the German Ebay
http://cgi.ebay.com/Tenor-sax-Couf-...yZ114434QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
You're right that the mid 70's Coufs and Keilwerths are the same, but Keilwerth kept making models and Couf didn't, (or more correctly they kept making saxes under the Keilwerth name but not the Couf name). I don't remember exactly when they quit making Coufs, do you Neil? I believe I remember seeing an ad in the 90's, (in Downbeat? don't remember...), where Grover endorsed Keilwerth playing a then current model, a SX-90 or 90R.....whether he actually played one or not, I don't know......BTW, on Couf's, I remember seeing Stan Kenton's big band in '77 or '78 and the whole sax section played Couf horns. They sounded great!............daryl
 

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Neil Sharpe said:
Wersax, I'm not quite clear on your comment that Keilwerth and Couf horns were "different models". It's my understanding that the mid-70's Keilwerth Toneking Specials and the Couf Superba 1s were very virtually identical horns -subject, of course, to custom orders such as RTH compared to STH- right down to the bell engraving.

Couf Superba 1s also were available in a black nickel finish. Sarge at worldwidesax.com has an example of one in his "Personal Collection"
http://www.worldwidesax.com/sarges_collection.htm

and there's one currently for sale on the German Ebay
http://cgi.ebay.com/Tenor-sax-Couf-...yZ114434QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
I envy Sarge's collection!!!!!
 

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Wersax, saxpics.com has 1986 as the the last year of production for the stenciled Couf Superba 1, and that is consistent with everything I've seen to date.
http://www.saxpics.com/keilwerth/h-couf.htm

I've been tracking Couf sales on Ebay for the last few years, and the latest serial number for a Superba 1 was 91, 386 which dates it to 1986 according to the Keilwerth serial number chart at www.worldwidesax.com (about half way down the first page in left hand column).
 

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I've got a black nickel Superba 1 bought at a pawn shop about seven years ago for $1k. It had no case but was still in good condition, built like a tank. I have used it extensively and it is a great playing horn - very free blowing and the fattest sound in the palm keys of any horn I've had. I've never changed the pads and they are black now but it still plays very well.
 

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I just watched a grover washington jr. concert on netflix online, and he was playing keilwerth's across the board. All in black nickel finish. The mouthpieces as I could see were berg hr on tenor, meyer hr on alto, and one of thos strathon adjusatone dealies on sopano.
 
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